CIPA data 2016: Another horror year for digital camera production

[jsrockit]

No, it is not valid, because the art world is almost irrelevant for the survival or revival of film.
Artists just don't buy enough film or paper to keep the film / paper lines running.
The enthusiast / (serious) amateur market keeps the lines running.
And at those the 'film is dead' campaign was adressed.
And it has been very successfully, millions of photographers followed it.

I'm a nobody and I just do photography because I enjoy it. I think I fit in the serious amateur market category. I switched to digital because it allowed me to do the type of photography I want to do better than with film. I went to art school with a focus on photography when we only used film and printed in darkrooms (digital was less than a MP at the consumer level by the time I graduated). I've done B&W, C-Prints, Cibachromes, Van Dyke Brown, and Cyanotypes from multiple formats. I've used both film and digital extensively and I do not feel some anti-film consortium made me switch to digital. Many of the people I've photographed with here in NYC used / use film. None of them cried / cry over this supposed campaign. Then again, they are secure people who don't care what others think about how they make their photography.

 

[nikonhswebmaster]

I've used both film and digital extensively and I do not feel some anti-film consortium made me switch to digital. Many of the people I've photographed with here in NYC used / use film. None of them cried / cry over this supposed campaign. Then again, they are secure people who don't care what others think about how they make their photography.

I personally am not a darkroom type, so I do miss film chromes. I took photos and then was done.

Duggal made internegatives, showed me proofs, and then I had them make Cibachromes. A little dodging (or whatever the printer suggested) but no color correction.

I used lots of Cokin filters so I was done -- I did not really much like Photoshop, still don't. I prefer more limited apps.

I used film until maybe '95. Then I began to work on the web, after Ken Hansen Photography insisted I take home a Mac. "Try it, if you don't like it, you can bring it back."

Honestly talking about cardboard cameras is outside of my direct experience, but I have used consumer products like the SX-70 with great success. And could see owning the new Leica Sofort, in a flash.

I encouraged those under my care in University to totally avoid these kind of discussions. Just make some stuff, to put on your refrigerator with magnets, or to show at MoMA, in the end it's just location.

 

[BillBingham2]

....Then I began to work on the web, after Ken Hansen Photography insisted I take home a Mac. "Try it, if you don't like it, you can bring it back.".

Didn't realize that they pushed Macs too.

.....I encouraged those under my care in University to totally avoid these kind of discussions. Just make some stuff, to put on your refrigerator with magnets, or to show at MoMA, in the end it's just location.

Makes me think about way back when I was younger I was passionate about some thing (e.g. best PC EVER) and now it's more about getting the work done. I'm working on a cheap Dell laptop with the crappiest track pad I've ever used. Why, because I have less than $100 into her, she has a lot of great features (e.g. BIG screen, fast) that allow me to overlook the track pad and the fact that it's not a Mac.

It come down to what have you produced. How was it produced might be important, but not as important as what.

B2 (;->

 

[jsrockit]

I encouraged those under my care in University to totally avoid these kind of discussions. Just make some stuff, to put on your refrigerator with magnets, or to show at MoMA, in the end it's just location.

Good for you. I would have liked your attitude if I was under your care as an undergrad.

 

[jsrockit]

Interesting ...

https://petapixel.com/2017/03/02/another-big-camera-store-fails-many-closing/

 

[jsrockit]

More "horror":

http://www.canonwatch.com/photography-industry-health-check-2017-things-are-bad-and-are-going-worse/

 

[jsrockit]

Interesting little clip about Fujifilm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSdvoQX7ApY

 

[HHPhoto]

Interesting little clip about Fujifilm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSdvoQX7ApY

It is a "teaser" for the whole film documentary.
We've already discussed this whole, detailed (and excellent) documentary here:

http://rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160058

Cheers, Jan

 

[Skiff]

Recent news from Panasonic:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4882489366/panasonic-likely-to-scale-back-camera-division

 

[willie_901]

RE: Panasonic

So, does this mean sooner or later the m4/3 market is left with one camera-body vendor?

 

[HHPhoto]

RE: Panasonic

So, does this mean sooner or later the m4/3 market is left with one camera-body vendor?

Perhaps in the mid or long term. Nobody knows it now, we have to wait and see.
What we currently know is:
1. The DSLM market is currently much smaller than the compact camera and DSLR market.
2. The DSLM market has shrunk by 26% since 2012.
3. There is a brutal competition in this relatively small market, and the competition is increasing, especially after Canons recent activities in that market (and Nikon will probably follow them in the coming years).
4. There are only a few (negligible?) advantages of m4/3 compared to APS-C mirrorless. So the pressure on m4/3 in this segment is probably the biggest, and less competition pressure on APS-C mirrorless.

In five years we will know......😉

Cheers, Jan

 

[willie_901]

After I posted, Panasonic released a statement whih I quote below without comment:

"The recent article featured on the Nikkei regarding Panasonic’s Imaging business was not announced by Panasonic and refers to a change in our internal organizational structure.
Integrating all consumer electronics divisions, our consumer Digital Imaging business will move under Panasonic Appliances Company and is not being dismantled.
The aim of this change is to further deepen our relationships with customers, strengthen our product capabilities, and continue to firmly develop and promote our business.’"

 

[nikonhswebmaster]

Yup, they need the phone and get a free camera with it. If you are getting a free camera (that is getting better all the time), why buy a separate one?
99% of the population could not care less that a 'real' camera can take better pics. If they remember to take it with them. The phone is always with them.

Well that was 5 years ago. Now they buy a digital camera, and get a seldom used phone with it.

I might make 10 phone calls to friends in a year. My carrier offers unlimited free phone calls, because they have so little traffic.

Women friends, in particular, seem to feel it is very odd I am calling them on a phone, rather than using FaceTime, Skype, or SnapChat. Most of the time they will just not answer. Personally I never answer a phone call, I just assume they are all spam calls, my message says "text me."