Colorskopar 28mm Vs Ultron 28mm

Ray & Roland, once again you guys have humbled me. Ray, your street shot with the framing of the woman in the truck is a great shot. And Roland, that reflective sunset shot is simply amazing. I need to hang around you guys more and hope that some of your magic rubs off on me! And now I've gotta get one of those CV 28/3.5 lenses for my CL (anybody out there listening?).

-Randy
 
Thank's for the replies and the beautiful images.

I think that i'll buy the small one, it'has a great image quality and ,more important is not too big, i've already the Nokton , it's a great lens but for me too big, i don't want another fat brother.
 
Hope you like the 3.5/28 Color Skopar; it's a gem! I sold mine because I was doing interiors and needed more speed. I still have the 4/25mm which I think is the same size, and just put it on the Bessa 4 (which arrived today) to check viewfinder intrustion. With the frame switch set to 21/35mm, the edge of the 25's little hood just touches the lower right corner of the 35 frame, and (switching to the 28 frame) sticks into the 28mm frame only a little.

The location of the Bessa's VF window closer to the lens results in more VF intrusion than with the CLE and Zeiss Ikon for instance because those two have the VF notable farther from the lens centerline. More parallax, less intrusion...

The Leica 2.8/21mm, even without the hood, SERIOUSLY blocks the lower right quarter of the R4's 21mm framelines. I am leaving the hood off and the accessory finder on top for now, and I'll see how it goes. I'm sure the new 21mm Skopar will stay out of the view much better!
 
Get it quick. They just stopped making them. (See numerous other threads from today)

Not sure if they are coming out with a new "M" mount equivalent. Personally I'd love to see something around 2.8 (or faster if possible) that retains the small size. Otherwise I'll probably save for the new Leica ASPH Elmarit. Seems like the best compromise between size and speed although cheap for a Leica product, it's still many times the cost of anything CV makes.
 
nightfly said:
Get it quick. They just stopped making them. (See numerous other threads from today)

Not sure if they are coming out with a new "M" mount equivalent. Personally I'd love to see something around 2.8 (or faster if possible) that retains the small size. Otherwise I'll probably save for the new Leica ASPH Elmarit. Seems like the best compromise between size and speed although cheap for a Leica product, it's still many times the cost of anything CV makes.
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A new small M-mount CV 28/2.5, wouldn't that be cool ?

:)
 
Me too if they could keep the size down.

In another thread Stephen Gandy said that the 28/3.5 wasn't selling that well. However it seems like they probably could do with another 28 since most of their line has multiple versions of common focal lengths. I would guess perhaps the 28/3.5 wasn't selling well because people figured that if they were going to take such a hit on speed, they might as well buy the 25mm/4. Just guessing here but a 28/2.4-2.8 or so, if they could make it more like the small Summicron style lens rather than the bigger SLR style Ultron, would probably do really well in M mount.

Perhaps this is just wishful thinking.
 
I have had the 28/3.5 and the 28/1.9 since they came out. The 28/3.5 is one of the best black/white lenses i have ever used! There is a quality to the images that is different from the f1.9 nokton and the Z1 28/2,8 and the leica 28's.
If you do a lot of low-light shooting the speed can be a problem, but the R4 is smooth enough that you can handhold down to 1/15 with little or no problem. The Nokton 28/1,9 is bigger and i find myself using it less and less. It is a match for the Summicron 28, except when wide open when the corners appear slightly soft. On the R4 you will find that the 28/1,9 does show up in the finder, whilst the 28/3,5 is virtually invisible there1
To put it in perspective, I have 1 28/1,9, 1 ZI 28/2,8, 1 Elmarit 28/2,8 (from 1980 and still a remarkably good lens) and three (3) 28/3,5! One is black, one is chrome and one is in Nikon Rf mount!.
The difference between a 2.8 and a 3,5 in size makes the 3.5 very attractive and in most cases the 1/2 stop speed will not be a problem. The step from a 3.5 to a f1.9 ( let's face it, it is most likely a f2!) does give you some latitude with speeds, but it is a lens big enough to attract attention when you shoot in the streets.
The 28/3,5 looks too small to be "significant" and most bystanders ignore it! Same thing with the 21/2,8's from ZI and Leica. The 21/4VC attracts little attention from the surrounding people and just like the 28/3,5 " packs a punch".
 
Tom A said:
...The 28/3.5 is one of the best black/white lenses i have ever used! ....
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I can get behind this, especially with the "disclaimer" (one of the best). ;) It has a very nice/different quality, especially when compared to the 35/2.5, which by comparison seems almost harsh.

:)
 
In another thread Stephen Gandy said that the 28/3.5 wasn't selling that well
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I suspect that's because the 25/4 is excellent and so much cheaper (especially as it includes a viewfinder) - most people have gone for that instead, and can't justify having (or simply don't want) both.
 
Fumbly to use?

You have got to be kidding. That 3.5 is my favorite street lens because it is so damn quick to use. The aperture ring moves very quickly and smoothly with little effort and the little focus knob and short throw make it so easy to use.

I actually think the image quality for black and white is a little contrasty and I prefer my 35mm Summicron, rendition wise, but for ease of use and that 28mm field of view it's awesome. The reason I'm entertaining thoughts of the new Leica Elmarit is due to the fact that that little bit faster might be all I need and I think the image rendition might be a little smoother but that's a guess at this point.
 
oscroft said:
I suspect that's because the 25/4 is excellent and so much cheaper (especially as it includes a viewfinder) - most people have gone for that instead, and can't justify having (or simply don't want) both.
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Then why did they discontinue the 25/4?
 
Because they came out with a rangefinder coupled M mount version.

This is the direction they are going to match the new R4's.
 
nightfly said:
Because they came out with a rangefinder coupled M mount version.

This is the direction they are going to match the new R4's.
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Ahhh . . . but now you lose the economic advantage over the 28/3.5. No finder included with the new 25/4 P & the price of the new lens is much higher than the 28/3.5 ($380 for the 25/4 P vs $330 for the black 28/3.5 & only $285 for the silver version). And you can use the 28/3.5 with built-in frame lines on more cameras than the 25/4 P. Not to mention the superior build quality of the 28/3.5 - one of the best in th CV line-up (but I won't mention it). ;) If the 25/4 was the reason for lagging sales of the 28/3.5, I doubt that it will be any more.

My hunch is that the stellar reputation of the 28/1.9 plus its speed advantage was the greater competition to the 28/3.5. However, I agree with your earlier post, with RayPA, & with Tom A that the 28/3.5 has great features. It is an underappreciated lens IMHO.
 
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i bet we do see a lower profile 28 in the not too distant future. i love the 28 3.5 - it just rocks on the street . it's contrasty, sharp, and quick to use.

i don't mind it with the lh-1 on the r4a. sure it covers quite a bit of the finder, but for snapshot on the street there is still so quick to frame and go.
 
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