ark8012
Established
Hi, All,
I just received my first R-D1 from my friend yesterday.
I was little surprised by its size,
It's bigger than I thought.
I tried M-Hexanon 50mm on my R-D1, and it works fine for portrait.
So 50mm is ok, but I do not like the size of the combo. I realized I want to have a little more compact lens for my R-D1.
I need a relatively fast lens (prefer to have f2 or faster).
Could you please recommend some lenses for my use?
Thank you!!
I just received my first R-D1 from my friend yesterday.
I was little surprised by its size,
It's bigger than I thought. I tried M-Hexanon 50mm on my R-D1, and it works fine for portrait.
So 50mm is ok, but I do not like the size of the combo. I realized I want to have a little more compact lens for my R-D1.
I need a relatively fast lens (prefer to have f2 or faster).
Could you please recommend some lenses for my use?
Thank you!!
50mm summicron V3 or CV Heliar Classic f/2? Anything smaller is going to be slower than f/2.
kermaier
Well-known
Get a Minolta M-Rokkor 40mm f/2 lens. Much more compact than the M-Hex 50/2, near-perfect match with the R-D1's 35mm frame lines, truly wonderful performance, and it will give you a bit more field-of-view as a general-purpose lens than does a 50mm.
If you're set on a fast 50mm, I think some of the vintage Sonnar copies are smaller than the M-Hex, but I don't have them in front of me right now, I'm not 100% sure of the relative size: Canon 50/1.5, Nikkor-H 50/2, Jupiter-3 50/1.5. Also, a vintage collapsible might give you a more compact option, but some are not safe to collapse on the R-D1: Summicron 50/2, Summar 50/2.
If you can give up speed for compactness, the CV 50/2.5 Skopar is wonderful and almost exactly the same size and shape as a Summicron 35/2 v1.
Enjoy your new R-D1 -- it's a great camera!
::Ari
If you're set on a fast 50mm, I think some of the vintage Sonnar copies are smaller than the M-Hex, but I don't have them in front of me right now, I'm not 100% sure of the relative size: Canon 50/1.5, Nikkor-H 50/2, Jupiter-3 50/1.5. Also, a vintage collapsible might give you a more compact option, but some are not safe to collapse on the R-D1: Summicron 50/2, Summar 50/2.
If you can give up speed for compactness, the CV 50/2.5 Skopar is wonderful and almost exactly the same size and shape as a Summicron 35/2 v1.
Enjoy your new R-D1 -- it's a great camera!
::Ari
Ah, good suggestion.
LCT
ex-newbie
AFAIK the most compact 50/2 is the Summicron-M v4 # 11819 with focus tab. Works fine with the R-D1.
Brian Legge
Veteran
The Jupiter 3 stuck me as compact the first time I handled it. Same size as some of the f1.8-2 lenses I've used.
ark8012
Established
Thank you for all comments.
What about ZM 50mm 1.5 sonnar? It looks this lens is smaller than other 50mm and fast.
But I do not know anything more than that. Any comments?
Is M-rokker the same to summicron-c?
What about ZM 50mm 1.5 sonnar? It looks this lens is smaller than other 50mm and fast.
But I do not know anything more than that. Any comments?
Is M-rokker the same to summicron-c?
Actually the Sonnar is a little smaller in length. However, I would read up on the special attributes of this lens before buying one.
MCTuomey
Veteran
my two fav fast 50's on the Rd-1 were the zm c-sonnar and the canon ltm 50/1.5.
both small-ish, fast, with beautiful bokeh.
both small-ish, fast, with beautiful bokeh.
ferider
Veteran
Not cheap but shorter than a non-collapsible Summicron: Nikkor 50/1.4 or Canon 50/1.5 LTM.
Then again, I were you, I would get the 40/1.4. Outstanding lens.
Then again, I were you, I would get the 40/1.4. Outstanding lens.
back alley
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i agree with roland...get a cv 40...
kermaier
Well-known
Yes, good suggestion. I just recently got one, and it's great, and the speed is very nice to have. Shorter in length than the M-Hex 50/2, but wider in diameter. And, of course, the 1-stop advantage in speed over the 40/2 M-Rokkor comes at the price of compactness.
::Ari
kermaier
Well-known
There were 3 versions of a 40/2 lens made for the compact Leicas of the '70s and 80s, all excellent:
- Summicron-C made for the CL
- M-Rokkor made for the CL
- M-Rokkor made for the CLE.
The practical differences are not large, but there are some:
The two CL lenses are single coated (I believe), while the CLE lenses are multi-coated.
The Summicron-C has an odd filter size (series 5.5?) while the M-Rokkors both take 40.5mm filters.
Some people prefer the image characteristics of the Summicron-C, while others prefer the flare resistance of the CLE M-Rokkor.
The Summicron-C tends to be the most expensive due to the Leitz Wetzlar pedigree, followed by the CLE M-Rokkor due to having newer coatings.
Note that all 3 of these lenses bring up the 50/75 frame lines on Leica M bodies, but that's not relevant to the R-D1.
Cheers,
Ari
ark8012
Established
Thank you for many thoughts. I am considering 40mm lenses now.
I have CS 35/2.5, and M-Hexanon 50mm.
If I get a 40mm lens, I might sell those 35 and 50 lenses.
I have CS 35/2.5, and M-Hexanon 50mm.
If I get a 40mm lens, I might sell those 35 and 50 lenses.
ncc1701
Established
Another vote for the 40mm Summicron C, Great little lens & Cheap!
If you have the cash, also consider a 50mm Elmar-M 2.8 Collapsible.
Not manufactured anymore but can score one for under 1k.
Not so far off from the current summicron 50mm.
If you have the cash, also consider a 50mm Elmar-M 2.8 Collapsible.
Not manufactured anymore but can score one for under 1k.
Not so far off from the current summicron 50mm.
ark8012
Established
uhoh7
Veteran
Hi, All,
I just received my first R-D1 from my friend yesterday.
I was little surprised by its size,
Wonderful camera, but if you want something really compact a GXR with the M module or a nex 5n are much smaller and lighter. The GXR is better with the M wides, but the 5n has optional EVF which is spectacular.
Their sensors are very good.
That said, the CV 35 or 40/1.4 is nice and small and not too expensive, while the CL 40 is perhaps a bit sharper--also the early tabed v4 summicron 50s are really small:
BMacW
Established
Why do you want a 50 on your 1.5x RD1?
I would get a VC 35 f1.4 , it's about 50 eqv on the RD1, fast, compact and readily available
I would get a VC 35 f1.4 , it's about 50 eqv on the RD1, fast, compact and readily available
f16sunshine
Moderator
The 40 Rokkor was my main lens on the RD1. It's near perfect for what i wanted. That said, It only barely edged the Nokton for size and a bit easier oof area. Either is an excellent small fast normal option for RD1 or m8.
Phil_F_NM
Camera hacker
Smallest size with fastest aperture ever made was the ELCAN 50mm f/2 for the KE-7a Leica (Basically an M4 with a short Summicron.) It's the same size as the current Summarit and a serious drool-worthy rare lens.
If you can find one, it's a very cool optic. Most people have only heard of them and seen photos. I've never been near one to the best of my knowledge. If you can afford it, just buy it.
I want one quite badly but I'll have to continue to live vicariously through the photos and writeups of folks who do have one of the handful of lenses made.
Other than that, the recommendations for the 40mm lenses are good. If you want to stick with a 50mm, you can't really go wrong with the CV 50mm Color Skopar. It's quite small and a good shooter but 1/2 stop slower than a 'Cron.
That's what holding still is for though.
Phil Forrest
If you can find one, it's a very cool optic. Most people have only heard of them and seen photos. I've never been near one to the best of my knowledge. If you can afford it, just buy it.
I want one quite badly but I'll have to continue to live vicariously through the photos and writeups of folks who do have one of the handful of lenses made.
Other than that, the recommendations for the 40mm lenses are good. If you want to stick with a 50mm, you can't really go wrong with the CV 50mm Color Skopar. It's quite small and a good shooter but 1/2 stop slower than a 'Cron.
That's what holding still is for though.
Phil Forrest