Computers waste your time

kshapero

kshapero

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Specifically, I agree with Jay Maisal who says, while first playing in Photoshop "...there's one of the great lies of all times, that computers save time. They don't. They're time suckers. So, I'm trying not to get involved in the Photoshop."
Just a discussion piece not a screed.
 
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Agree with you wholeheartedly. I could be doing something else instead of typing this note to agree with you about computers being the money-pits of time.

But then, heck, I'm having some mild, harmless fun... :)
 
Compare how long it would take to do something in a dark room with how long it takes to do it in Photoshop. If Photoshop takes longer, then use a different editor. If not, keep on trukin'. I only use PS for very limited things. Most of the time I use Picasa. I couldn't do even my simple color photo editing in an analog dark room; so infinite time in a dark room vs. limited time on a computer makes me infinitely more productive with my computer.

/T
 
Maybe Jay Maisal should have stuck with it for a bit longer before issuing soundbites. I find getting sucked into the Internet for hours on end annoying and depressing, but Photoshopping is a creative act. Which version was he using?
 
Didn't somebody on here say they had a 60 seconds per photo post-processing policy? I have adopted that for the most part, and it keeps the computer in the realm of useful tool, rather than time-sucker.

Internet forums, now, that's a different story.
 
Really just like to hear how folks use or not use post processing software. Not meant to be anti anything.
 
I've been using Photoshop professionally for around 13 years, so I know my way around it pretty well. Scanning and digital editing/printing saves me tons of time compared to the old darkroom days.
 
I think however you do your photography it's the same. Whether you prefer pixels or wet stuff (or both), if you love it and you're dedicated you'll "waste" as much time as you can spare. Waste away, I say :)
 
1) Time on computers pays the mortgage and other bills, and finances travel and other "nice to haves."

2) Photoshop (for me) takes less than 30 seconds per image, so it does not take up a lot of time.

3) Cruising the internet -- now THAT takes up a lot of time, which mostly ends up being wasted time.
 
It's horses for courses, for some people 'lightroom' (whatever you use, Photoshop, PaintShop Pro, Aperture, Lightroom, pbrush.exe ;)) is a sucker of time, for some the darkroom is a sucker of time, and others both are.

Photography takes time to mature sometimes whether you do it digitally or on analogue or a hybrid process. Art isn't rushed, it might be quick but never rushed whatever way you go about it.

I work largely in the darkroom for B&W and only shoot film, and I don't enjoy Photoshop as much as the darkroom but that's not a fact or an objective truth, it's just my own way (due to the fact I work on a PC 5 days a week and in the evenings apart from some RFF browsing.)

Just enjoy whatever you do and to hell with anybody who tells you that you are wrong, whatever you prefer :)
 
While recovering from my heart attack I've spent way too much time staring at this thing!....I'm getting a lot stronger, and shall soon be pushing it into the background, and getting out and about a lot more!. I've noticed the few regulars who seem to be hanging around here 24/7....don't know how they find time to shoot any pictures - LOL!, and as for the poor guys that make a living at them.....:eek:.....but it's better ( just! ) than not being able to make a living!. I don't have photoshop, but use 'Paintshop Pro', and after pratting about with curves and levels, and other such nonsense, I usually find that the 'Smart photo fix' does as well - with one click!, anyway...that's Dave's daily rant over! :D
 
kshapero said:
Really just like to hear how folks use or not use post processing software. Not meant to be anti anything.
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Let's think about that for a second. Title was "Computers waste your time" and your premise was that you agreed with Jay Maisal's statement to that effect.

Let me put my answer another way. Computers may waste your time; they don't waste mine - they pay my bills. If you dislike computers so much, that is certainly your right, but I suggest you get offline and stay there.

You may say that you're not trying to be "anti anything," but I can't think of many other ways to take it. And let's face it, as film slips into obscurity, many who love it are beginning to go a bit bonkers. Anything some film-centric people can do to try to 'save' film by denigrating digital technology is fair game. It begins to have a whiff of the desperate to it.

I love film, but I've moved on. If you can't, fine - your choice. But drop the anti-digital crap, please. It's thinly disguised and really rather boring now.
 
Hey, hey, hey...! Is this not the same Jay Maisel who was extolling the joys of the then-new Nikon D1, trash-talking film, which was suddenly so "back-then", and glowing about how marvy working on a computer with PS was?

No?

His evil doppelganger, maybe?

So maybe it's "HCB Syndrome" for him now? Just pop out those memory cards and have someone else do the "dirty work?"

Maybe it's time for him to hang it up for a bit and, say, learn to play guitar...like George Lucas did. (Lucas, of course, came out of retirement, and back to the field...and look what happened. :mad:)


- Barrett
 
People are so reactionary here these days. He's more or less saying the age-old axiom: "get it right at the time of exposure".
 
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Hey, hey, hey...! Is this not the same Jay Maisel who was extolling the joys of the then-new Nikon D1, trash-talking film, which was suddenly so "back-then", and glowing about how marvy working on a computer with PS was?

No?

His evil doppelganger, maybe?

So maybe it's "HCB Syndrome" for him now? Just pop out those memory cards and have someone else do the "dirty work?"

Maybe it's time for him to hang it up for a bit and, say, learn to play guitar...like George Lucas did. (Lucas, of course, came out of retirement, and back to the field...and look what happened. :mad:)


- Barrett
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fair enough! - have you read some of the earlier articles by our good friend Roger (Hicks), one book ( I am a fan, and have three! ) is a compendium of his weekly articles in 'Amatuer Photographer' and has him stating his decision not to have a digital camera, and decrying the foolishness of regularly hanging around on internet forums!. That was two or three years ago, since then - from his notes etc., there have been two or three DSLR's and in the past year has gone from a M8 to a M8/2!, and when not travelling - he's a daily contributer to this august forum!. It's easy to tell that a lot of us around here ( myself included, at times! ) change our minds as often as we change our socks!
Dave.
 
i make my mortgage payments via email assignment info>research assignment particulars on internet>fire up digital camera>dump to laptop>ftp>cheque in the mail.

i don't think i can get on board with his way of thinking.
 
bmattock said:
Let's think about that for a second. Title was "Computers waste your time" and your premise was that you agreed with Jay Maisal's statement to that effect.

Let me put my answer another way. Computers may waste your time; they don't waste mine - they pay my bills. If you dislike computers so much, that is certainly your right, but I suggest you get offline and stay there.

You may say that you're not trying to be "anti anything," but I can't think of many other ways to take it. And let's face it, as film slips into obscurity, many who love it are beginning to go a bit bonkers. Anything some film-centric people can do to try to 'save' film by denigrating digital technology is fair game. It begins to have a whiff of the desperate to it.

I love film, but I've moved on. If you can't, fine - your choice. But drop the anti-digital crap, please. It's thinly disguised and really rather boring now.
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i hate to stir the pot but bill pretty much encapsulated my thoughts. now back to my hunt for a medium format rangefinder!
 
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