Pherdinand
the snow must go on
Hi. I know some of you "collected" quite a few of the contaxes
so you might know the answer to the question:
there's a contax IIa "red dial"(???i thought there's a color dial version. But red???) offered for sale with a coated sonnar 50/2. The rangefinder and shutter "work perfect" and it's in reasonable good condition (this is all the text says, not much; see photo).
If we suppose that everything works as should, what would YOU pay for it?
Currently the person asks 265 euro which i find way too much (for my budget). I think of more like 200. Am i unreasonable doing so? [I can't really spend more. Otherwise i'd buy the set of Tim here!!!]
It's within the Netherlands so tax/postage/risk does not apply, i can just go there and check it out. I might include a CLA for approx. 75 euro, if needed, that's 275 already...
Oppinions?
Thanks
so you might know the answer to the question:there's a contax IIa "red dial"(???i thought there's a color dial version. But red???) offered for sale with a coated sonnar 50/2. The rangefinder and shutter "work perfect" and it's in reasonable good condition (this is all the text says, not much; see photo).
If we suppose that everything works as should, what would YOU pay for it?
Currently the person asks 265 euro which i find way too much (for my budget). I think of more like 200. Am i unreasonable doing so? [I can't really spend more. Otherwise i'd buy the set of Tim here!!!]
It's within the Netherlands so tax/postage/risk does not apply, i can just go there and check it out. I might include a CLA for approx. 75 euro, if needed, that's 275 already...
Oppinions?
Thanks
That is a "good" price with the lens, and all working well. 200Eur sounds too low; he would get a lot more on EBay. You could not touch a Nikon S2 with 5cm F2 lens for that price! If the VF/RF is clear and slow speeds work a CLA is probably not required. The Contax IIa is going for a premium over the IIIa as most Selenium cell meters have died. KEH camera would ask $350US for the body alone.
KEH camera Zeiss Contax Bodies. I WAS CLOSE BEFORE I LOOKED!
KEH camera Zeiss Contax Bodies. I WAS CLOSE BEFORE I LOOKED!
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Pherdinand
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Thanks, guys.
Well, Doug you were lucky (patient, if you prefer) with the deals you mention.
Indeed, i would prefer the f/1.5 Sonnar versus the f/2 (although i'm not sure i'd ever need that extra almost-one stop). And i don't care about flash stuff, i never use one; the meter is obsolete too.
But this is the camera that I've found for sale and it is reachable. My point is, buying internationally from e-bay is quite complicated for me (no credit card etc), and as Brian says, the e-bay prices are higher too (i checked a few finished auctions). Buying from a camera dealer would be even more expensive. Where did you find your exemplars???
In the last year, this is only the second contax in the Netherlands that i've found - the first one sold"as-is" very fast and it was pre-war+uncoated 50/2.
I think i've seen the Scherer page once, but thanks for the link, i'll check it thoroughly.
So far i got no answer from the owner regarding the eur200 offer...
EDIT: i just got an e-mail from him saying, he wants at least 250... I guess i'll have to wait for the next deal.
Well, Doug you were lucky (patient, if you prefer) with the deals you mention.
Indeed, i would prefer the f/1.5 Sonnar versus the f/2 (although i'm not sure i'd ever need that extra almost-one stop). And i don't care about flash stuff, i never use one; the meter is obsolete too.
But this is the camera that I've found for sale and it is reachable. My point is, buying internationally from e-bay is quite complicated for me (no credit card etc), and as Brian says, the e-bay prices are higher too (i checked a few finished auctions). Buying from a camera dealer would be even more expensive. Where did you find your exemplars???
In the last year, this is only the second contax in the Netherlands that i've found - the first one sold"as-is" very fast and it was pre-war+uncoated 50/2.
I think i've seen the Scherer page once, but thanks for the link, i'll check it thoroughly.
So far i got no answer from the owner regarding the eur200 offer...
EDIT: i just got an e-mail from him saying, he wants at least 250...
I guess i'll have to wait for the next deal.
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Rich Silfver
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Questions about the Contax IIa:
a) Have you ever had any problem getting prints made from the film put through the Contax? I understand that the frames are spaced VERY closely together.
b) How well are you able to frame your subjects as there are no framelines in the viewfinder? (How well does it work with 50 and longer lenses)?
a) Have you ever had any problem getting prints made from the film put through the Contax? I understand that the frames are spaced VERY closely together.
b) How well are you able to frame your subjects as there are no framelines in the viewfinder? (How well does it work with 50 and longer lenses)?
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wlewisiii
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Pherdinand:
If it were me and I had the coins to hand, I'd snag it and run as it seems like a good price to me. This is presuming that the camera is as described. Good luck!
Honu-Hugger:
Thank you for putting this information up here. I've been bitten by the Contax bug I fear and I expect that sooner or later I'll "need" to have a IIa color dial. In the meantime, I'll have a nice Fedka Kiev 4a and whatever glass I can find.
Thanks,
William
If it were me and I had the coins to hand, I'd snag it and run as it seems like a good price to me. This is presuming that the camera is as described. Good luck!
Honu-Hugger:
Thank you for putting this information up here. I've been bitten by the Contax bug I fear and I expect that sooner or later I'll "need"
to have a IIa color dial. In the meantime, I'll have a nice Fedka Kiev 4a and whatever glass I can find. Thanks,
William
Pherdinand, that is a good price. If the CLA can wait a bit, you are unlikely to find a much better price for a usable camera.
D2: I looked at Henry's site closely, and will have to send my IIIa with F1.5 lens up there. It deserves it. Will have to wait a bit, I just sent an M2 and M3 up to Essex.
Cameras tend to go cheap if they need work. I picked up an EX+ M2 that required a $180 CLA and repair to the rewind gear. So for $600 I will have an EX+ just serviced M2. Same with the M3 from Jdos2; ~$350 for the M3 in 8/10 condition+$150 for a CLA. $500 for a perfectly good user M3. Trouble is the Contax IIIa works well; finder is right-on, all speeds work, and meter is accurate. The Leica's had to have the CLA's; the Contax "Gets by". But the finder has some haze, and it will be next on my list. I keep the Sonnar on a Nikon S2 that I changed the shims on the focus mount to better focus with THIS lens. It is good enough to also focus properly with the 8.5cm F2 and 13.5cm F3.5 'C'ontax lenses.
BTW: My Contax IIIa with the coated F1.5 Zeiss-Opton Sonnar ran me $200; but I did the (very friendly) shop owner a favor by selling some lenses on EBay at "no charge". He would have sold me the lenses for $100, and I got $300 for him. So I asked him to knock the difference off of what he wanted for the camera instead of his offer of splitting the money on the lenses.
D2: I looked at Henry's site closely, and will have to send my IIIa with F1.5 lens up there. It deserves it. Will have to wait a bit, I just sent an M2 and M3 up to Essex.
Cameras tend to go cheap if they need work. I picked up an EX+ M2 that required a $180 CLA and repair to the rewind gear. So for $600 I will have an EX+ just serviced M2. Same with the M3 from Jdos2; ~$350 for the M3 in 8/10 condition+$150 for a CLA. $500 for a perfectly good user M3. Trouble is the Contax IIIa works well; finder is right-on, all speeds work, and meter is accurate. The Leica's had to have the CLA's; the Contax "Gets by". But the finder has some haze, and it will be next on my list. I keep the Sonnar on a Nikon S2 that I changed the shims on the focus mount to better focus with THIS lens. It is good enough to also focus properly with the 8.5cm F2 and 13.5cm F3.5 'C'ontax lenses.
BTW: My Contax IIIa with the coated F1.5 Zeiss-Opton Sonnar ran me $200; but I did the (very friendly) shop owner a favor by selling some lenses on EBay at "no charge". He would have sold me the lenses for $100, and I got $300 for him. So I asked him to knock the difference off of what he wanted for the camera instead of his offer of splitting the money on the lenses.
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wlewisiii
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Pherdinand:
You might want to check this one out - quite a bit of time left, but it's currently at a low enough price... (and I'm too broke to try for it)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3847827746&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
William
You might want to check this one out - quite a bit of time left, but it's currently at a low enough price... (and I'm too broke to try for it)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3847827746&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
William
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
Hmmm. Thanks for the confusing advices
I think i'll take a ride to the guy's place in the weekend and try the camera out. If i really really like how it handles, i might get it. But if it shows more damage than on the pictures, of if it acts funny, i certainly won't.
Thanks william for the link, looks interesting. I also see a few coated 1.5 sonnars on e-bay. Maybe i should try my luck there.
Doug, that is a very generous offer, thanks. By the way, do you know how much can a full overhaul at henry scherer cost? i know, it depends on the original condition, but just to have an idea about the order of magnitude. Couldn't find it on his page.
cheers
I think i'll take a ride to the guy's place in the weekend and try the camera out. If i really really like how it handles, i might get it. But if it shows more damage than on the pictures, of if it acts funny, i certainly won't.
Thanks william for the link, looks interesting. I also see a few coated 1.5 sonnars on e-bay. Maybe i should try my luck there.
Doug, that is a very generous offer, thanks. By the way, do you know how much can a full overhaul at henry scherer cost? i know, it depends on the original condition, but just to have an idea about the order of magnitude. Couldn't find it on his page.
cheers
The website must have been re-arranged, and with some typing into the address field and then pointing and clicking, I got here.
Henry's Price List
Long Story Short: You are looking at $205 for the camera and lens. A good price considering the level of effort, but something that your budget will have to defer. If the camera is in good working order, get it. If some marginal things like some haze in VF are there, have it CLA'd later. There is no doubt in my mind that my IIIa in present condition with the J-8 (I bought for $2 from Woodmere camera, perfect condition) on it would fetch at least $200 on EBay. 250Euro for the camera and lens, assuming it does not need a repair to operate, is a good price. Shoot some pictures with it, show it operates well, you can always resell it for at least that price.
Henry's Price List
Long Story Short: You are looking at $205 for the camera and lens. A good price considering the level of effort, but something that your budget will have to defer. If the camera is in good working order, get it. If some marginal things like some haze in VF are there, have it CLA'd later. There is no doubt in my mind that my IIIa in present condition with the J-8 (I bought for $2 from Woodmere camera, perfect condition) on it would fetch at least $200 on EBay. 250Euro for the camera and lens, assuming it does not need a repair to operate, is a good price. Shoot some pictures with it, show it operates well, you can always resell it for at least that price.
taffer
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Pherdinand, I'd say that 265 euro for the whole package, having in mind you can inspect the camera in person and you'll save the shipping (and possible customs) trouble, is a good price.
Pay it a visit, at worst you'll have between your hands a Contax IIa for a while, and that's worth a small trip on its own
Pay it a visit, at worst you'll have between your hands a Contax IIa for a while, and that's worth a small trip on its own
mmmm, to buy or not to buy, what a question!
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
thanks, i appreciate.As to Kingslake - well, i've found an even better book, applied photographic optics or stg like that, by Sidney F. Ray. It's from 2002, and it is very very thick
but it's all very practical and well written. I do enjoy reading it as literature...you know, one or two hours in the evening... One can learn alot from its chapters.
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
Heh, I've found this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=30028&item=3849298948&rd=1. I can't figure out what mirror is he talking about saying " the shutter release button is stuck down (this means I can't wind or fire the release) and the mirror is stuck up. The good news is, that the rangefinder is ok."
Ideas?
Ideas?
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wlewisiii
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Seeing that the release looks like the Kiev's (for some funny reason... ) it's been turned while down and won't come up till turned the other way. It also means he's an idiot who knows nothing about what he has. I'm tempted to bid myself, but I'd rather avoid a bidding war with you. PM me; perhaps we can figure out what to do.
William
) it's been turned while down and won't come up till turned the other way. It also means he's an idiot who knows nothing about what he has. I'm tempted to bid myself, but I'd rather avoid a bidding war with you. PM me; perhaps we can figure out what to do.William
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
so you mean it's a fake contax? or a hybrid?
william, you know what's funny: it's from the same woodmere camera that sells the body you linked above in this thread) And which sold Brian a contax, if i remember correctly.
By the way, i checked - they have a SuperIkonta BX as well. With a 2.8 Tessar. 125 or 150 or something $.
william, you know what's funny: it's from the same woodmere camera that sells the body you linked above in this thread
) And which sold Brian a contax, if i remember correctly.By the way, i checked - they have a SuperIkonta BX as well. With a 2.8 Tessar. 125 or 150 or something $.
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
Doug, check a library maybe...Or a mate having access to a university library...
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
the body-only contax IIa from woodmere camera, suggested by william, is already at $137. Sorry guys for the whining and boring you with all these. I'll stop now and only report final results (if any).
RObert Budding
D'oh!
Buy Through Henry Scherer
Buy Through Henry Scherer
I bought my IIIa "through" Henry Scherer, and it is spectacular. He has a program, through which he will locate and purchase a camera, or lenses, for you. There is no charge for this service - you pay the price of the camera and shipping and agree to pay to have Henry overhaul the camera and lense.
Henry found me a camera that really is mint - it had probably had fewer than 20 rolls of film pass through it over the years. He performed an overhaul and it performs like a new camera. I can't recommend his services highly enough!
I have no connection with Henry, other than being a totally satisfied customer.
Buy Through Henry Scherer
I bought my IIIa "through" Henry Scherer, and it is spectacular. He has a program, through which he will locate and purchase a camera, or lenses, for you. There is no charge for this service - you pay the price of the camera and shipping and agree to pay to have Henry overhaul the camera and lense.
Henry found me a camera that really is mint - it had probably had fewer than 20 rolls of film pass through it over the years. He performed an overhaul and it performs like a new camera. I can't recommend his services highly enough!
I have no connection with Henry, other than being a totally satisfied customer.
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wlewisiii
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Well, I won the "stuck mirror" III, so 1) we'll see if it really is munged and 2) save the pennies for Henry. Now I just need to find myself sanely priced collapsable Tessar and Jupiter 9s and I'll be a happy little photographer.
William
William
Robert if you check back, would you mind sharing the final cost of the Contax camera you bought through Henry's program? It seems like an excellent way to get a fully serviced and working piece of history.