CV about to announce an M Mount 50mm f1.1 Nokton!

It is interesting that both the Nikkor 50f1.1 and the Nokton 50f1.1 has a distinctly "cooler" tone than the Noctilux and the Canon. Could be repro shift too of course.
Not beeing a color shooter, this doesn't bother me. If I did shoot color I probably would prefer the cooler look though.
 
Must say I'm fairly impressed with the bokeh in those magazine shots, but am still curious as to what the cooler lens does with reds.

I loved shooting Nikkor glass, but boy have I spent hours cursing while scanning shots with over-saturated reds in them... The cooler rendering of the Nikkor never bothered me but when red was involved, something went off the chart, it seemed.

If the Nokton can keep it cool, we have a winner, in my book.
 
issa918 said:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21189661@N05/sets/72157618513243163/

Samples from magazine.
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Thank you for the magazine post.

I like what i see. The Noctilux has a more diffuse bokeh, and that's great, but the Nokton's is very nice, and with the greater apparent sharpness in the center, the background may appear to be just as diffuse as with the Noctilux if you're looking at actual photographic usage, and not a direct comparison.

The Nokton also seems to have its center sharpness extend further out to the edges. The other lenses seem to get blurry immediately after leaving the center. Maybe the Nokton is a better 'general purpose' lens than the others, and the others are more 'impressionistic, dreamy and abstract.'

Whatever. I want one more now than before i saw the magazine.
 
Observation: When it comes to groups and elements, the Nokton is an exact copy of the Nocti.

Although I like the Nocti bokeh slightly better, people tend to look to the focus point in a shot and the Nokton wins. Add prize and we're getting close, can anyone already link me to any shots with predominantly red in them?

Observation II: The guys from Canon must have had a field day designing their lens, there's enough sheets of glass in there to cover a skyscraper:p
 
After reading a recent article by Erwin Putts about Cosina's own glass making factory I now know what Mr. Koboyashi was up to.

"Recently a claim was made that Cosina owned a proprietary glass melting factory where glass is being made for use in the Voigtlander line of lenses. The corollary of this claim was the inference that because of this fact (creating and melting their own glass) the Voigtlander lenses were better than others who had to use glass form the main manufacturers. The basis argument is the one I have sketched above in the paragraph about the Leitz glass lab.
It is indeed true that Cosina makes their own glass. They do this in small amounts, just for their own demand. It would be not possible to create the same range of glass as is available on the world market, so the glass that Cosina melts is of a limited range."

The link can be found here...

http://www.imx.nl/photo/optics/page146/page146.html

Cosina must have been doing a great deal of private experimenting for the new Nokton.

Best Wishes.
 
CK Dexter Haven said:
Maybe the Nokton is a better 'general purpose' lens than the others, and the others are more 'impressionistic, dreamy and abstract.'
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This is exactly what Tom A. said in his first post about the new Nokton 50/1.1. And to me this very trait makes the Nokton a better lens for me than the Noctilux, since I am planning to use the Nokton as my standard 50mm and do not necessarily want every photo to have a distinct and recognisable signature which the Noctilux gives.

After spending a lot of time looking at Tom A.' photos, when the Nokton is stopped down, it reminds me of my Collapsible Heliar 50/3.5, which is a very good thing.

Thanks for sharing the magazine shots with us.
 
Jungle Jim said:
After reading a recent article by Erwin Putts about Cosina's own glass making factory I now know what Mr. Koboyashi was up to.

"Recently a claim was made that Cosina owned a proprietary glass melting factory where glass is being made for use in the Voigtlander line of lenses. The corollary of this claim was the inference that because of this fact (creating and melting their own glass) the Voigtlander lenses were better than others who had to use glass form the main manufacturers. The basis argument is the one I have sketched above in the paragraph about the Leitz glass lab.
It is indeed true that Cosina makes their own glass. They do this in small amounts, just for their own demand. It would be not possible to create the same range of glass as is available on the world market, so the glass that Cosina melts is of a limited range."

The link can be found here...

http://www.imx.nl/photo/optics/page146/page146.html

Cosina must have been doing a great deal of private experimenting for the new Nokton.

Best Wishes.
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No, you know nothing of what Mr. Kobayashi is up to after reading Erwin's article. I've toured that glass factory.

Stephen
 
Double Negative said:
Were those magazine shots done on film - or digital? If the latter, I wouldn't read too much into them as different bodies (and thus sensors and firmware) will exhibit different characteristics.
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According to the magazine, all are shot in film, Provia 100F.

I just shot the magazine with a gx200, so colors might not be accurate and details might be hidden in the comparison.

To my eyes, Nokton is the sharpest in wide open. The bokeh is better than Nikkor because Nikkor seemed to have CA in bokeh and Nokton is softer, it's quite similar to Canon one, this magazine has a Canon 0.95 lens in other section but they didn't take it to compare, maybe due to the title is F1 test. I support Tom A, Noct is softer in centre. The focus point of all photos were the right eye. But Noct's depth was the most shallow.
 
Double Negative said:
Were those magazine shots done on film - or digital? If the latter, I wouldn't read too much into them as different bodies (and thus sensors and firmware) will exhibit different characteristics.
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I don't speak nor read Japanese, but from what I see in the text the following cameras were used:
- Nokton and Noctilux were used on an R3A
- Nikon on an SP
- Canon on the EOS-1V

All shots were done on Provia 100f (or am I wrong regarding the 100f I see there?)
 
Tom A said:
Indeed, there is a 50mm f1.1 from Cosina. I did shoot with it in March when we were in japan. Of course, i had to keep quiet about it, which is not easy!
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ahh you knew all along!!
this is great news
looking forward to the F1.1 lens and its reviews and actual street usage.
 
This looks fantastic.
What will Cosina Voigtlander do next? Is anyone taking bets for an f/2 21mm or 24mm released by the end of the year
 
Cosina announced they start selling this lens as of June 29, 2009 in japan,
though they do not mention it for sale outside of japan.
 
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