Denver Post Newspaper Photogs Using Holgas

I also think this is a great idea...

Not that I am comparing myself to the Denver or the Magnum guys, but I also use Holgas for my professional wedding work and my clients love it!

Cheers,

Riccis
 
... geez, all this great camera manufacturers - many sadly now defunct, had it all wrong. They spent all their time, energy, and money trying to make better cameras, when they should have put their efforts in making terrible cameras and their money behind a marketing campaign to make them seem "cool".
 
NickTrop said:
... geez, all this great camera manufacturers - many sadly now defunct, had it all wrong. They spent all their time, energy, and money trying to make better cameras, when they should have put their efforts in making terrible cameras and their money behind a marketing campaign to make them seem "cool".
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Clearly these photographers had it all wrong too, spending their time and energy trying to take better pictures, when they should have put their efforts and money into more expensive gear.
 
I wonder what it must feel like to shoot photos day after day for a living, walk into the office one day, and have them toss you a cheap camera and say "Go crazy with it."

EDIT: Quite frankly, I love cheap cameras and my Lubitel TLR has produced my all-time favorite photos, so I'm always excited to see them get some good press.
 
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There`s some great looking photos in there, some very good and others soso......but it`s still fun and colorful :)

As always though it`s NOT the GEAR it`s the person BEHIND it that makes the photo, any photo......

Could be that there`s alot more talented people out there than we know of....perhaps?
*But Photographers just like great painters are not made, they are born*

It`s the job of the passionate few to keep creating wonderful work and shooting real film and the REAL photographers will always stand out weither we shoot with a $15,000 Dollar Leica M kit or a beat up $10 Agfa Clack

Happy Shooting!

Tom

PS: I think it`s time for me to pursuade some known magazine to publish some Leica photos taken with the MOST BEAT UP LEICA`S in the world, now that`s an idea!
 
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Holga's and cellphone cams for the sense of sight.

MP3's for the sense of hearing.

Axe (and the like) for the sense of smell.

McDonalds and Taco Bell for the sense of taste.

Silicon for, um, the sense of touch.

Blandness and the lowest common denominator seem to be ascendant.
 
MP3's are perfectly fine. The human ear cannot discern the difference in audio fidelity between a V0 MP3 and a FLAC file or vinyl. If anything, the physical oddities present in vinyl and the plaback therof make it less faithful to the original source.

Sorry, pet peeve.
 
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MP3's are perfectly fine. The human ear cannot discern the difference in audio fidelity between a V0 MP3 and a FLAC file or vinyl. If anything, the physical oddities present in vinyl and the plaback therof make it less faithful to the original source.

Sorry, pet peeve.
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However, you can eat a vinyl record but not an MP3. You can also SMASH a vinyl record over the head of a random passerby but not an MP3. These facts are often overlooked by the "everything must be digital" crowd.
 
Morca007 said:
MP3's are perfectly fine. The human ear cannot discern the difference in audio fidelity between a V0 MP3 and a FLAC file or vinyl. If anything, the physical oddities present in vinyl and the plaback therof make it less faithful to the original source.

Sorry, pet peeve.
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no need to be sorry - to each his own

personally, I can't stand the compression; it's not the lack of high/low data, but what gets left out of the middle, particularly dynamics and attacks/decays. do cymbal shots sound like stick striking a cymbal, or is it a sound like escaping steam? most redbook CD's don't even get it right, due to limitted sampling

that said, I agree you can't tell on many recordings and most sound systens
 
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However, you can eat a vinyl record but not an MP3. You can also SMASH a vinyl record over the head of a random passerby but not an MP3. These facts are often overlooked by the "everything must be digital" crowd.
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don't forget skeet
 
I think this was great. Letting the PJs have a bit of fun. Letting anybody have a bit of fun. That is what photography should be about. Enjoyment. Fun. So it isn't 'serious' photography? It isn't somebody dying of exposure in a street somewhere, it isn't a political figure announcing an impending war? So what?

Yes, I too dislike the concept behind, and the general actions of, the Cult Of Lomo. That being said, I do not disagree with letting people have fun with affordable cameras. We can't all afford Leicas.

If you are good at your job, then you shouldn't be worrying. And if the worst happens, then go out with a Holga, make a book, and sell it to Lomo.
 
I think most of us here occasionaly enjoy the lo-fi pictures that would be considered today as LOMO. I enjoy them too, but the main thing i really dont admire is the idea of the Lomographic Society sales pitch. I found this surfing the web, Im sure some of you folks have seen this, but feel he put my thought into comprehensible english.

http://cameras.alfredklomp.com/lomography/
 
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If a newspaper company cant see the difference between a crappy photograph taken by someone with no photographic skill and a photojournalist who has photos with impact, then obviously there is something wrong with the paper.

I would suggest you change employers, because if someone cant see the value of good photography then most likely you are not being paid enough anyway.
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In my town (NYC), I'd say that, other than the New York Times, all the local papers couldn't care less about photographic quality/impact/etc., even as they pass over their staff shooters in favor over the even more bland wire-service stuff. I think there's a lot worng with the papers here (particularly the New York Post, but in the name of decorum I won't go there), but as far as photography goes the scene has been rather depressing for quite some time. And jumping ship from one paper to another (unless you're making a jump to the Times, of course, in which case you'd have to be damned good) won't make a dime's difference; most of them treat photographers like digital paper-hangers, no more, no less.

I liked a number of the Holga photos at the DP. Yes, there were clinkers, but the average was pretty damn good compared to what I see every day on the newsstands.


- Barrett
 
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Morca007 said:
MP3's are perfectly fine. The human ear cannot discern the difference in audio fidelity between a V0 MP3 and a FLAC file or vinyl. If anything, the physical oddities present in vinyl and the plaback therof make it less faithful to the original source.

Sorry, pet peeve.
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Having both worked on live recordings and worked with various grades of audio gear (high- and low-end), I have to seriously disagree with you on that one. There's a difference that doesn't require a golden ear to discern (a tin ear is another matter). Whether someone cares at all about the difference, large or small, is another matter altogether. Most don't. MP3 might be the best thing a lot of people have ever heard. Then, too, a color Xerox pinned to someone's bulltin board may be a perfect photographic representation of a person or event, at least from a distance.


- Barrett
 
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Having both worked on live recordings and worked with various grades of audio gear (high- and low-end), I have to seriously disagree with you on that one. There's a difference that doesn't require a golden ear to discern (a tin ear is another matter). Whether someone cares at all about the difference, large or small, is another matter altogether. Most don't. MP3 might be the best thing a lot of people have ever heard. Then, too, a color Xerox pinned to someone's bulltin board may be a perfect photographic representation of a person or event, at least from a distance.


- Barrett
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OK stream of consciousness post

Once again just like cameras, its about what your preference is ... When I was in college, there was a high end Stereo dealer across commonwealth ave and one day I went in bought a pair of Grado SR60s for my walk around Campus headphones, the owners would allow me to listen to all the high end audio equipment, brand-new (then) SACD, Vinyl, DVD-Audio, on Legacy Speakers or B&W speakers, even the Wilson Audio Pups made an appearance ... I would go back to my dorm where I had an old Sony 2-channel amp hooked to my laptop, a old turn table, to a pair of aging Advent "Small" Speakers (small was just the name, they were actually big by today's standards). I would listen to my CDs, Vinyl, MP3s and I could always tell the difference

Now, I usually do my listening in the car and at work via my Sansa MP3 player with Rhapsody files (which are even more compressed than MP3s), I can tell the difference but they sound pretty darn good even on my Grado headphones or my Tivoli PAL at work. Do they sound like a Electrostatic speakers attached to Monoblocks on high weight vinyl spinning on a Sota turntable? Absolutely not ... but does it allow me to enjoy my music everywhere I would like to be with litteraly thousands of titles, genres, and albums at my disposle? Hell yeah

And yet I still do take my weekends to spin one of my various favorite jazz albums, on my old turntable (with Grado Black cartridge), hooked to my wharfedale towers (I won these in a contest, lucky me), and enjoy what sounds like Art Blakey banging his drums in my own living quarters.

I can Appreciate it, but I can appreciate the decent quality of sound that comes out of my little Sansa player as well.

Same thing when it comes to the difference between a Holga and a Hasselblad

I can appreciate both as they have qualities the others don't ... I can still appreciate the pictures I took in highschool with my Kodak APS camera despite their low quality and my obvious point and shoot nature (didn't have a huge interest in photography as I do now), then I can appreciate the real keepers I can get now with more sophisticated/perhaps better equipment.

Sometimes you can enjoy both a movie like American Pie and a Masterpiece like Godfather.... sometimes you don't want to see either

I don't think anyone needs to sit any determine the validity of the existence of one over the other.

whew ... that was long
 
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it is sad that people here on rff have such a rigid way of thinking. i dont have anything against cell phone cameras, mp3s, and stuff like that. those things should available for everyone. it would be a sad world if only people who have leicas can go into photography - that would exclude millions of people who dont have money even for a leica lens cap.
 
I don't understand - why are all these people in the toy camera forums bashing toy cameras? Did they come here looking to start a fight? It's a toy camera forum, if you hate toy cameras why bother reading it? You don't see people who prefer SLRs coming on this site and bashing rangefinders. I just don't get it.
 
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