Difference between Nude and Naked

f16sunshine said:
There is no difference between nude or naked if your intentions are the same.
I suggest photographing your girlfriend for your first nude sets. You will objectify her less and the love and protection of her modesty will show in the images.
Otherwise it is nearly impossible to expect a young man to do a 1st nude shoot that exhibits no sign of objectification.
On the other hand objectification does not always exclude artistic expression.
Why shoot nude anyway?

I end up with nudity in a couple shoots per month but it's never my choice rather.... always the models act of expression or frustration or joy etc..

Maybe you should just jump in and get some experience rather than plan for something.
Find a model who needs work to fill up her portfolio. See what sort of exchange you are capable of building.
There is nothing worse than having a model go stiff unless it's one who has no clothes on ;)
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this is good advice , thanks.. In all seriousness I was planning on calling an escort to do this, because I would feel more comfortable about it that way.. I know I am a loser...
 
jsrockit said:
So, are Lee Friedlander's "nudes" naked or nude?
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hmm I think those pics will hold a more historical point of view than of being nude or naked , because in future humanity will look at his work to see how hairy woman where in the past.. mhm
 
denizg7 said:
no I just didin't want to hurry into doing it carelessly...

In RFF we have a lot of different expert shooters and I always like to get advice from people who have done it before in the past and possibly learn a few things that they have learnt from their experience in the subject.

sorry for being inexperienced and not arrogant.
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Sorry if I come off as arrogant. But to me your just asking what the difference is between artistic nudes and porn. I've never done nudes, but even I know the difference. The best cure for inexperience is to take your photos and post them. That way the members that can help will have something to go by. Jump in with both feet. We only learn from our mistakes.
 
Michael Da Re said:
Sorry if I come off as arrogant. But to me your just asking what the difference is between artistic nudes and porn. I've never done nudes, but even I know the difference. The best cure for inexperience is to take your photos and post them. That way the members that can help will have something to go by. Jump in with both feet. We only learn from our mistakes.
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i agree with that.
 
I wrote a paper about this in college (art history class). As best as I remember: Nude is all about form - naked is about being stripped of clothing. Nude appears comfortable - naked is self conscious or ashamed. You might want study how the nude form has been portrayed in art, not just photography. ---john.
 
jsrockit said:
So, are Lee Friedlander's "nudes" naked or nude?
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You can call Friedlander's shoot of an unknown dancer name Madonna Ciccone for a $25 modeling fee whatever you want. But they were a nice contribution to his nest egg when Playboy magazine bought the rights to them. And from what I hear about him, it could not have happened to a nicer guy.

Now if that ever happens to me, I will be saying "I guess I should have gotten that model release after all"
 
great idea just popped into my head...

cooking scrambled eggs naked!!

god this is such a brilliant idea! will do this probably next week after i am cleared from school!!
 
Dennis,

I can't really help with the philosophy behind your question, although I will comment that jbrubakers comment on form is pretty interesting.

I can offer sources of inspiration:

http://www.zamario.com/ - followed him for years, really dig his style.

Bill Brandt

http://www.jeanloupsieff.com/ - one of the greats

Someone mentioned Frank's work. Frank has his own style, which I can respect, but it seems like he flips out once a month when he realizes that hes just another average in a sea of talent.
 
anu L ogy said:
Dennis,

I can't really help with the philosophy behind your question, although I will comment that jbrubakers comment on form is pretty interesting.

I can offer sources of inspiration:

http://www.zamario.com/ - followed him for years, really dig his style.

Bill Brandt

http://www.jeanloupsieff.com/ - one of the greats

Someone mentioned Frank's work. Frank has his own style, which I can respect, but it seems like he flips out once a month when he realizes that hes just another average in a sea of talent.
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jbrubaker said:
I wrote a paper about this in college (art history class). As best as I remember: Nude is all about form - naked is about being stripped of clothing. Nude appears comfortable - naked is self conscious or ashamed. You might want study how the nude form has been portrayed in art, not just photography. ---john.
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very helpful both of you :)

the first link has some very very amazing shots...
 
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Nude or fine are nudes, think bodyscapes, think of the unclad form presented like still life. Photograph to accentuate movement, utilize shadows and light, you want to capture the sensual which isn't necessarily sexual. As for the difference between nude and naked I don't know that there technically is one but you should be able to differentiate between artistic nudity and that spread-eagled pose with the come hither gaze. If you would be embarrassed to show your loved one like that.. you know you did it wrong. John made a great suggestion, look at paintings for some inspiration.
 
Heck I will throw in my 2 cents on this. Naked is about the body, nude is about what is expressed by the body. I don't agree that nude is necessarily comfortable, I think it can be be self conscious or even ashamed.... but it is not about itself.. if that makes sense. Naked on the other hand is all about being naked.

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Bill
 
I think you could begin to answer the original question by first looking up Edward Weston. Then look up Les Krims.

Gary
 
Dennis

Do you see any conflict in apparently not wanting to do a "porn" shoot and objectify a woman's body and your genius plan to hire an escort?
Oh let me answer that... Yes, I do.

WTF dude?
 
I'll suggest that an escort is absolutely the wrong way to go on this. That just says sex.

Check out the web site, Model Mayhem. You can find models in your area who will pose for you. Especially if you are willing to pay.

If you are truly serious about it from an artistic perspective, find an experienced model. She's not going to shoot with you for free, given your lack of experience in these types of shoots.
But you are going to have a lot better chance of success if you are working with someone who's experienced modeling and who enjoys being naked/nude in front of a camera.

One of the worst things you can do is start off with a model who's not 100 percent comfortable in that setting. Again, given your lack of experience with nudes, it's a recipe for horrible photos.

Oh, and by the way. You don't need a macro lens for bodyscape photos. modest telephoto can handle that quite well. But you really need good lighting for those to work.

I've done a few nude shoots over the past couple of years, though they are not my favorite things to do. They generally come at the request of the models I shoot - and I just always worry that they'll look cheap. To me, there's nothing worse than bad nude photography.
 
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