Digital Bashing gets old....

Don Parsons

Don Parsons

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Everyone,

Why do you feel it necessary to defend film against digital? All it shows is your insecurity. If you like to shoot rangefinders, as I do, then fine. Why do you have to bash the other guy? The digital users forum as it right. They talke about pictures and vision, not equipment.

The free market place will be the deciding factor. 50, 100 or even 600 guys is not enough to force Kodak or Ilford or Fuji to keep producing a favorite emulsion if they've decided there is not enough demand for it.

Digital has its place, as does film. Pro's use digital when they feel it is necessary. They use film, usually medium format or larger, when they feel it is necessary.

Why all the posts..."Digital doesn't have a soul", "Digital doesn't do it for ME"...

It just gets old....

don
 
I agree with you, except...

I agree with you, except...

I find that the anti-film screeds on most digiatl sites are worse than the digital bashing here. I shoot film, I shoot digital. I don't need some immature child to tell me that a large percentage of my stuff is junk to him or her...

(Not attacking you, just the children on dpreview.com)
 
Maybe if we could lock both sides in a room they would do each other in and the rest of the world can get back to enjoying one or the other and possibly both in peace. There is no all encompassing best. Yeah, I am tired of the BS too.

Nikon Bob
 
Frankly- there are many digital users here. So, to call everyone out is a little overboard.

How do you think we scan?
 
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Ok, I admit it, I'm a film snob. Film works for me. Digital works for you. Fine. Each to his/her own.

What I don't like is this {expletive}ing clueless arrogance that some people (seems like they are mostly male, mostly caucasian, mostly 30-ish or so, but I'm not trying to stereotype or bash) who are sooooo ga-ga over their Latest And Greatest DSLR, and whenever you are talking to somebody about photography they barge in and shift the subject to their Latest And Greatest DSLR and how great it is, but they never show off any photos, just the Latest And Greatest DSLR.

Jeesh! They have the gear, but they don't know Zone V from the Twilight Zone!

You know the type. I'm sure everybody knows more than one!

THAT's what's getting old!
 
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I hear you DMR, a couple of folks at my office do the same thing. Yet they don't even understand the latest gear.

It's all one-upsmanship. I like to call it "who can mark the highest on the fire hydrant?"
 
Let's try to agree on something - any kind of bashing gets old.

Especially if it is based on inadequate knowledge.
 
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There Bob,

That is my point...

Why bash? Different strokes for different folks.

I use digital for my airplane stuff.

I shoot film, in rangefinders, for fun.

So, to ask an old question, "Can't we all just get along?"

It's about the images and vision. Not the equipment.
 
The internet is full of competitive masculinity. There are far too many people here trying to prove that film can pee further than digital can.

Same piss, different tools.

We need more women.

Clarence
 
clarence said:
We need more women.
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speak for yourself, please. I have a woman... I only need and want one... she's almost too much for me to handle as it is. But thanks anyway; it was an interesting thought.
 
Don Parsons said:
Everyone,

Why do you feel it necessary to defend film against digital? All it shows is your insecurity. If you like to shoot rangefinders, as I do, then fine. Why do you have to bash the other guy? The digital users forum as it right. They talke about pictures and vision, not equipment.

The free market place will be the deciding factor. 50, 100 or even 600 guys is not enough to force Kodak or Ilford or Fuji to keep producing a favorite emulsion if they've decided there is not enough demand for it.

Digital has its place, as does film. Pro's use digital when they feel it is necessary. They use film, usually medium format or larger, when they feel it is necessary.

Why all the posts..."Digital doesn't have a soul", "Digital doesn't do it for ME"...

It just gets old....

don
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I agree. Just ignore it, Don. Digital bashing probably helps one justify a major film camera purchase. There's a lot of helpful information on RFF about vintage RF gear which doesn't cost an arm and a leg to acquire. All the whining about GAS does seem pathetic at times. :p

Have you seen the 'blad with 80, metered prism and back for $550 at the Creve Coeur Camera store on Olive? They also have a Bronica SQA with prism, back and 80 for $225. The market for once expensive film cameras is really taking a beating.

R.J.
 
memphis said:
on my last post, I was not bashing digital -- just siad that one particular camera was not for me ---- I personally am waiting on the digital that won't have to be upgraded every few years --- right now, digital doesn't do what I want --- I am a graphic designer, a photographer, a web designer, and an artist --- I just feel that a big boy like nikon should have a stronger camera before they abandon all film camera production === the nikon digital with no expectations was not exciting -- it just didn't do it for me... it felt cheap --- and a $1000 camera shouldn't feel cheap
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Which Nikon digital? Must have been the D70 or D70s which is more or less based on the N80.

The local Camera dealers have lots of used Nikons in their windows. Anything you might want is available with a one year waranty. I don't think anybody misses a N65 or N80 when he can get a F808 or F90x for less.
They have several FMsomethings and F3, F4 and used as well as new F5s. Only the F6 is a special order item because they don't stock any new high price film cameras anymore.

Now that I think about it, the F100 is missing.

There are so many reliable working used cameras on the market that I can understand a manufacturer who stops production on a product which doesn't sell anymore when he can use the production lines to produce something which sells like hot cake.
 
Film & digital are complementary to me, I'm glad both exist and like making lots of images in either medium.
Sure films trump digital in terms of absolute quality - but not all my images need that kind of quality and I love the 1.5 corp factor when shooting telephoto.
Film are for wide angle shots and making images that are meant to be enlarged and displayed (ever notice that you seldom print digital shots?).
I'm just worried that film would die-out or become more expensive to use.
 
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