Yep, it'll be just like updating computers. Some will do it every year and some will wait 10. The manufacturers will adapt.
Vobluda
Well-known
"Managers" of Ferrania?
You mean those guys who are begging people on the internet to give them money as their business plan is not viable?
You mean those guys who are begging people on the internet to give them money as their business plan is not viable?
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Canon and Nikon are mainly responsible for the woes of the film industry as it stands currently ... and they will continue to effect it surely, along with a lot of other manufacturers.
mani
Well-known
Dante Stella's rants against film and film-users are getting repetitive now.
I'm glad to say film and film cameras are going to be going strong long after the digital camera market has totally imploded.
I'm glad to say film and film cameras are going to be going strong long after the digital camera market has totally imploded.
marameo
Established
It's time for full frame medium format to take off..
hipsterdufus
Photographer?
Since Fuji is the only remaining publicly owned film company, we'll have difficulty ever deciphering the trajectory of the film market. Sales numbers will probably never be released from the other companies. Given that, I think it's pointless to conjecture about where film is going, regardless of how you *feel* about where it is going.
helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
Well what Industry has not been hard hit from this dreadful World Economy
Only the fat cats on Wall Street and the mega Corps are prospering
So much for Globilization, it ruined the World as far as I'm concerned
As for Digital cameras the market seems flooded with possibilities...
There are only so many cameras you can use and own
Oops I may get in trouble now for being too Political....Apologies. :angel:
Mods can delete my Post if you feel its inappropriate
Only the fat cats on Wall Street and the mega Corps are prospering
So much for Globilization, it ruined the World as far as I'm concerned
As for Digital cameras the market seems flooded with possibilities...
There are only so many cameras you can use and own
Oops I may get in trouble now for being too Political....Apologies. :angel:
Mods can delete my Post if you feel its inappropriate
The rants are tiresome, but how is the film market going strong?
nongfuspring
Well-known
I don't think those opinions are anything much to apologise for Helen, if fact I'd say you might be a little hard pressed to find many that disagree.
It's true it seems dedicated camera sales in general are slowing, but perhaps this isn't such a bad thing for photographers. Since much of what is spent on camera development is in the R&D, with technological progress slowing on in-camera technology hopefully product cycles will slow and we'll see more durable user oriented products. Another thing that has been gaining traction is smaller companies that are producing niche cameras and equipment, e.g. new large format cameras, boutique pinhole cameras, open source digital platforms and so on. Hopefully what we'll find is a bit more small scale players and market fragmentisation/democratisation in photography.
Well, that's my optimistic outlook anyway.
tbhv55
Well-known
Well, I'd ask the Mods NOT to delete your post - you simply voiced that which any sane person can see.
Of course, Mods can delete MY post if they feel it's inappropriate...:angel:
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Old news. The crowd always needed just a picture for what is in front of their noses. Mobile phones does it very well now.
Most cameras actually sucks for what the crowd is needed. Picture itself is not so important, pushing your crapshot by e-mail to recipients, dumping it at FB, IG and to the cloud is more important these days. You can't press "like" under someone else crapshot from the camera, either.
No wonder camera sales are in decline. Who really cares if you take picture of your lunch at greasy spoon Hakka with $10K digital Leica and $20K lens on it?
It is nothing and you are nothing, if not weird. But once you pull out your mobile shunny stuck and this one is latest and greatest... you are hot!
Most cameras actually sucks for what the crowd is needed. Picture itself is not so important, pushing your crapshot by e-mail to recipients, dumping it at FB, IG and to the cloud is more important these days. You can't press "like" under someone else crapshot from the camera, either.
No wonder camera sales are in decline. Who really cares if you take picture of your lunch at greasy spoon Hakka with $10K digital Leica and $20K lens on it?
It is nothing and you are nothing, if not weird. But once you pull out your mobile shunny stuck and this one is latest and greatest... you are hot!
daveleo
what?
I am going to drop this subtopic after I say, "I agree 100%" .
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
If someone disagrees with you, and says so more than once, using reasonable language and citing uncontroversial evidence, he's ranting?
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
That is some world-class cumudgeonry there.
Bill Clark
Veteran
Years ago, when starting on a career in photography, an investment was made into a system that would be used the entire career. I still, as well as my associate, have Hasselblad systems that go back to the 1970's and, since she started on her pro photographic journey back then, still has the equipment but isn't used any more for business work.
Perhaps the camera manufacturers will need to adjust as the changes are incremental now and not leap frogging as in the past. Maybe, just maybe, folks will first get the basics down then use equipment for the long haul. Just like it used to be in the past!
I still have a Canon 20D that works just fine.
At any rate, my thoughts this AM!
Perhaps the camera manufacturers will need to adjust as the changes are incremental now and not leap frogging as in the past. Maybe, just maybe, folks will first get the basics down then use equipment for the long haul. Just like it used to be in the past!
I still have a Canon 20D that works just fine.
At any rate, my thoughts this AM!
kshapero
South Florida Man
Also the robust used market (Amazon, KEH, E bay) have contributed to the decline in new sales. Me thinks.
mani
Well-known
Did you think him diverting the topic of the thread from a discussion of digital camera sales to some sort of strange backlash against film users was a useful contribution to the discussion then? Definitely the forum needs more digital vs film posts.... :bang:
Anyway, I guess rant was the wrong word, but I find the repetitive pattern of his posts betrays an underlying fixation, and I've certainly seen the same syndrome in other people who've switched from one medium to another - whether film to digital, PC to Mac, or Mercedes to BMW.
burancap
Veteran
Boy, I took delivery of an i6 recently. Much to my surprise, it is an impressive -camera.
Highway 61
Revisited
And with a lot of electronic... noise !
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Good point. Flea markets making huge impact as well! I can't find film cameras, but loads of digital P&S for pennies.
Seriously, last week I went to major camera store outlet where they are dumping all trade-ins. DSLRs for $150! But I have two already, one from 2008, another 2009 and they are fully working and no real reason to upgrade them, nothing new is significantly better.
Plus, once you buy digital camera it lasts. They aren't like other household items these days mostly made in China (Hey, Helenhill_HH
), which breaks after few years of use. And they give you extended warranty for four years in the store for little money and it actually works.
So, once you get digital camera you don't need another one for long time. They weren't advanced enough in the past, but now, new cameras aren't much better comparing to few years older ones.