vsolanoy
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It looks like it's official -- Leica (LFI) has photos of the M7 Digital...
http://www.lfi-online.de/ceemes/show.php?lfi_topstory1_english
http://www.lfi-online.de/ceemes/show.php?lfi_topstory1_english
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Nikon Bob
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Leica produces a product for a very linited market, in their current line, and it is getting more expensive all the time limiting it even more. This is a problem for them financially. There are buyers for their DMR from this limited market but perhaps their limited production capacity is what is creating a back order situation here. If the digital M appears the same situation might happen. I do not think that these digital pieces will, in the long run, create a wider market base than they already have. I hope I am wrong because then they may survive.
Bob
Bob
sheepdog
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vsolanoy said:
Not so fast.. Take a look at the text accompanying the images:
"Photos:
© Leica Camera AG (left),
© LFI (Montage)"
Kind regards
Kjetil
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
The top one is the one they published in December 2004. And then they said: "this is hat it COULD look like"
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Nikon Bob said:
What you are describing here is a niche-manufacturer - which is what they are.They are surprisingly small, with a turnover about 110 million Euro. Such a company can be very viable, even with a very narrow customer base - look at Morgan for instance producing totally unsuitable cars at horrendous prices for real fanatics, but with a long waiting-list and the only surviving independent British car builder. The worst mistake such a company can make is trying to produce for the mass market. They would be crushed by the giants.
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Taipei-metro
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RML said:
Frequent RFF-ers have one side blind loyality for their M, incl. RD1.
I do not care about your shooting "style" nor you care about mine, you may tied up one of your arm and do the shooting, or hired an assistant to change M films, or cock the RD1 shutter lever for you, and claimmed thats your shooting style, I don't care.
What I'm saying in this one-sided Forum is, RD1(or M7 digital) plus a 28 elmarit will be way over $5,000 big clams, the IMAGES produced by these cameras are not worth the money. Your buying expensive gears are not only for photography purpose, but to showing off you're 'different', 'and 'well established financially' dude, same as my older sister buying a $15,000 Catier is not just to chcek 'what time is it?'. If you view photography as 'sports', then all debates are of useless.
What I'm saying, the large amount of $ for defective RD1(if Epson is a car co., RD1 should be 'recalled', big time), or for (NEVER made a digital camera before), Leica digital M7 is going to follow the RD1 road, your purchase of innitial batch of M7 digital is going to be a a waste of $5,000 or more euros, save the money for your daughter's baby grand Yamaha( my daughter has a up-right Yamaha, now she wants a baby grand).
One word, Leica does not have the 'experience' or 'know-how' to make digital M7, mark my word. You're throwing your money away by blind loyality. People buys Delorean when they first came out too, as Joe the moderator describe a guy selling rip-off priced Canon rf 7 for $2,000, NUTS!
As I said before, if spending big bucks for un-worthy M7 digital makes you happy, go ahead be my guest, a chat w your daught make you happy too, now that's priceless.
One poster call me Leica bashing, well, there are bigger Japan bashing, China bashing, Chinese bashing, French bashing (by American media on 'French against the invasion of Iraq')... Leica is in fianancial trouble now, now why it that? Because they don't do 'NOTHING' but re-milking the same M cow.
Digital is not film, M stuffs are 'best' for 50mm or shorter mm photography, should it be a debate here too? You have SLRs, you know what I am talking about.
May Leica die in peace(or take over by Canon?), or you guys's going to ends up owning a massive piece of frequent-repaired junk, ie. RD1 all over again.
Hey, look at Bill, owning a Pentax ist*D, put on that Pentax 31mm 1.9, now, you are in NaGeo magazine photographer league!
FYI, a new 1st*D-S-2 just came out.
Wake up Leica engineers, maybe hire some Pentax people.
This is a view from Taipei.
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vsolanoy
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sheepdog said:
I missed that part... darn...
Now that I'm pretty sold on rangefinders, hopefully a digital M does come out. Hopefully Leica does a good job with it.
Taipei-metro
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jaapv said:Most Leica-bashers wouldn't call the Panasonic/Leica Digilux2 affordable
Leica basher my behind, I am Leica slaughter-er!
You can't afforded it? Because out of $895, $400 is for the darn L logo!
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LCT
ex-newbie
Taipei-metro said:
I don't use the 28 Elmarit but the Summicron of same focal length instead and i can't simply get results like this with my otherwise excellent Nikon stuff.
Worth the money to me.
Best,
LCT
(Epson R-D1 & 'cron 28)
ulrik
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Taipei- metro: I like your "shooting" style.
Yamaha baby-grand and Cartier watches - You make me forget what the subject was. Go play your Casio keyboard, check your Timex watch and take picture for me with your Pentax and tell me what it feels like. While I await your responce I will open another bottle of Dom, sit back in my soft Corbusier and look at vintage dye-transfer prints while listening to vinyl recordings.
Taipei-metro: I'm jealoux of your style. Free me from my misery. I await you answer ...
Yours sincerly,
Yamaha baby-grand and Cartier watches - You make me forget what the subject was. Go play your Casio keyboard, check your Timex watch and take picture for me with your Pentax and tell me what it feels like. While I await your responce I will open another bottle of Dom, sit back in my soft Corbusier and look at vintage dye-transfer prints while listening to vinyl recordings.
Taipei-metro: I'm jealoux of your style. Free me from my misery. I await you answer ...
Yours sincerly,
waterlenz
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LCT said:I don't use the 28 Elmarit but the Summicron of same focal length instead and i can't simply get results like this with my otherwise excellent Nikon stuff.
Worth the money to me.
Best,
LCT
(Epson R-D1 & 'cron 28)
Nice Primulas!
Tom
EsaS
Member
Hello Ulrik
Good style, too.
I just had my B&O Beogram repaired and am able to listen to my vinyl records again. But to the topic:
I like the viewfinder of my Leica M2 far more than my DSLR and that is enough reason to wait what comes from Leica Mdigital. The cost may be beyond my resources but let us see.
Cheers, Esa
Good style, too.
I just had my B&O Beogram repaired and am able to listen to my vinyl records again. But to the topic:
I like the viewfinder of my Leica M2 far more than my DSLR and that is enough reason to wait what comes from Leica Mdigital. The cost may be beyond my resources but let us see.
Cheers, Esa
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RML
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Taipei-metro said:
Utter bollocks. I prefer my Bessa R over my M2 any day, but not over my R-D1. Why? Simply because the R-D1 is to me the same as the R but with digital innards. That's what makes the R-D1 my number 1 choice. Not loyalty to Leica, which I've never had.
So says you. I beg to differ. I shoot my R-D1 with any kind of lens. I don't even have a Leica lens. No. Instead I shoot with a $10 J8, or a $250 Minolta Rokkor-M, or a CV 25/4. Check my gallery and my blog. You won't find any Leica lenses there, or anywhere else.
I don't have to show anything, dude. FYI, I saved money for 3 years to buy myself something I wanted. It turned out to be the R-D1, the first item in 3 loooong years that I found worthy to spend my hard-earned money on. This from a dude that doesn't even own a car to go to work with. I just take a bloody bicycle and ride the bloody 18km to work, thankyouverymuch. And back.
Hope she learned how to play on it.
The Delorean is one hell of a kinky car. Flawed, yes, but kinky nonetheless. And so is the AC Cobra, and a Ferrari 250, and my cheapo FED-2. You hear about these things and you think "money". I hear these things and think "kinky"! Not because these things are expensive but because they have character, spirit, make my heart beat faster, make me cry with joy. Now that's priceless. And I chat with my little girl every day, cuddling up with her when she's ill, watching TV with her even tho I don't care for the program, taking her out riding, taking her to school, etc. Don't tell me what is priceless. I know what is priceless, having been separated from my little girl and my wife for over 4 years, only to have them with me now for close to a year.
IMO the first sensible thing you said.
IMO SLRs suck big time. They don't do what I want them to do, are overly complicated with a ton of menus, auto-focus, no proper way to use them all manual, weigh a ton, have lenses the size of a telescope, etc. My film Eos hasn't been used since I got my first RF. My 300d hardly gets any exercise as well. I must be pretty desperate for a zoom lens before I use the dSLR. I do, however, use my R-D1 every single day with 25mm or 40mm or 50mm or 85mm. SLRs don't suit me. RFs do.
Seems you only read the doom stories. Let me tell you a different one. My R-D1 is working great. Only 1-2 dead pixels in RAW, only slightly tilted framelines. That's it. No doom stories here. It works, and will work for a long time to come.
If you want to promote the use of SLRs you're obviously at the wrong forum. Perhaps P.net has a place for you. If you want to make us see the folly of using a digital M (Leica or Epson or otherwise), you're talking to a brick wall. It's like telling me that I should be using Bessas instead of FEDs and Zorkis because the Bessas are sturdier, newer, better, brighter, etc., or telling me to live in a brand-new apartment building with central heating, laundry room, and a view to die for. I don't really care. I enjoy shooting FED, Zorkis and also the R-D1 because it tickles my fancy, because I feel comfortable with it, because it brings me joy. I have a piece of land in Mongolia to build my own datcha on. It'll be cold in winter and hot in summer but it brings me joy. Like I said before, there's more than money and efficiency. One day you'll realise that too.
Taipei-metro
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You don't have to proof anything to me.LCT said:I don't use the 28 Elmarit but the Summicron of same focal length instead and i can't simply get results like this with my otherwise excellent Nikon stuff.
Worth the money to me.
Best,
LCT
(Epson R-D1 & 'cron 28)
Do I have to do the math for you?
$2,900 + $2,995( 28 Cron) = how much? $5,895
Try, 8MP XT plus $420 Sigma 30mm/1.4
For a total of $1,070 and report right back to me.
Strange, RD1 used a 6MP Nikon D70 sensor?
By the way, beautiful flower, I mean the flower itself, not the image.
For nearly $6,000 to produce such a image is a total WASTE of money.
Now you have all Europeans ganging up on me now...
just a guy from Taipei.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
I'm a "frequent RFF-er" and I don't have a "one-side blind loyalty" for my M6. I have a loyalty to my Bessa-R, and my Yashica Electro, my Canonet GL17 QL-III, my Franka Solida III L... I think somebody else has a "one-side" view of things.Taipei-metro said:
Are you representative of Taipei, Taipei-metro? Or you sure you weren't looking for Photo.Net?Taipei-metro said:
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RML
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Taipei-metro said:
Why? What will it proof? Exactly nothing. Just that the XT combo is cheaper, not better, or more suited to his style of shooting, or more joy to shoot with. Money doesn't matter. It's fricking hobby, and I can spend my money as I please on whatever I want.
Why? Because it's a Nikon sensor? Because it is a measly 6MP? Works for me.
Jealousy is such an ugly thing....
Better stop right there, Taipei-Metro. You're damn close to a line you shouldn't cross, not here anyway.
Taipei-metro
Veteran
Looking for fight? Mr. Ma?gabrielma said:
1700 posts in 10 months? lonesome huh?
...You're going to get me in trouble.
Yes, I am the mayor of Taipei! LOL.
Stay within topic...
So did the M7 digital...out yet?
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Yaaawn. .... zzzzzzz
Taipei-metro
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Ya..shi..ca..tai-wan..gabrielma said:
Zzzzeissss...
OMG I'm going to be like you. 1700 post. Jesus!