squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
I.........sort of almost want one
BillBingham2
Registered User
They are great marketers.
Presenting limited information about a product and invoking a look, feel, control of a camera decades old. While even product will have it's share of folks disappointed, my read of the questions asked mistakenly in the comments section of Kickstarter rather than FAQ.
Perhaps their marketing struck a cord with me that it didn't others.
They have doubled their goal in less than one day. While I expect it would do this every day, my read is that they will be selling a lot more before 39 days ends.
I'm not looking to spread manure, just share some observations and thoughts.
B2 (;->
BillBingham2
Registered User
I was hoping for a lower-tech camera that would give us a low cost Fuji X100 with a pure optical RF and manual controls.
You're right, priced reasonably for what it is. It will appeal to lots of 20-somethings.
B2 (;->
I know... many of us are... but are you willing to pay for it? Optical VF/RF and manual controls... would surely cost more than a X100F no?
JoeLopez
Well-known
Used X100 cameras are now about $300, how much more low cost do you want?
f16sunshine
Moderator
Some peeps will have fun with this.
Expect it to be a "one hit wonder".
After spending any amount of time with this camera, peeps are going to wish for the convenience of their phone.
With the tiny sensor and slower than iPhone aperture.... what is the draw from a photograph standpoint ?
It really is a gimmick gadget and not much more.
One thing seems sure..... The Yashica name has some drawing power still.
If these cats wanted to produce a real camera, the brand seems strong.
Expect it to be a "one hit wonder".
After spending any amount of time with this camera, peeps are going to wish for the convenience of their phone.
With the tiny sensor and slower than iPhone aperture.... what is the draw from a photograph standpoint ?
It really is a gimmick gadget and not much more.
One thing seems sure..... The Yashica name has some drawing power still.
If these cats wanted to produce a real camera, the brand seems strong.
krötenblender
Well-known
It's 14 (fourteen) megapixels. Still, its a bad idea.
Archlich
Well-known
Doesn't it provide a few "benefits" film brings some of us would say when asked. Like "you really have to think with a film camera, because every shot count", or "I like the crank lever as it provides a tactile feedback" etc.
Does help to break part of the myth. And you really have to think with this, a digital camera.
Take it as a fun camera. A toy...a pretty neat one I'd say. Hate the poserish video though, but that's what it's about.
Photography is not all about the end result. It's a performance. (Or so they say.) Now the marketing machine has finally realized that and begin to tell you, that you don't need a Ricoh GR to be actually in line with the PROVOKE guys like Moriyama - who is known to use a crappy Nikon Coolpix, also with a tiny sensor.
Does help to break part of the myth. And you really have to think with this, a digital camera.
Take it as a fun camera. A toy...a pretty neat one I'd say. Hate the poserish video though, but that's what it's about.
Photography is not all about the end result. It's a performance. (Or so they say.) Now the marketing machine has finally realized that and begin to tell you, that you don't need a Ricoh GR to be actually in line with the PROVOKE guys like Moriyama - who is known to use a crappy Nikon Coolpix, also with a tiny sensor.
f16sunshine
Moderator
^^^
Maybe it shows that film is still the "ideal" medium.
Even the young folks who won't use film will be happy to fake it
The compliments of imposters etc....
I will probably buy one next year to give as a gift to my niece. (yes spoiled)
She'll love this thing. Loves the idea of film camera but lack the patience for daily film use.
Although I do see the twin lens cameras in her hands often.
Maybe it shows that film is still the "ideal" medium.
Even the young folks who won't use film will be happy to fake it
The compliments of imposters etc....
I will probably buy one next year to give as a gift to my niece. (yes spoiled)
She'll love this thing. Loves the idea of film camera but lack the patience for daily film use.
Although I do see the twin lens cameras in her hands often.
Corran
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A few thoughts...
AA batteries: Awesome! Don't have to have another charger, another proprietary battery, just pop in some of my rechargeables and go.
No screen: I think it's absolutely ridiculous on a Leica that costs more than my car. On this it makes total sense. No chimping, just shoot and don't worry about it.
digiFilm "cartridges:" Okay this is kind of dumb...but at the same time, it's basically preset menu settings that don't have to be fiddled with all the time. The wind-on thing is gimmicky but whatever. For the future, I would like to see a cartridge that can be connected via USB and a custom setup be installed so you could do different things depending on your preference. Also, with no cartridge it'd be nice if it reverted to auto-ISO, color, no cropping.
Sensor size: yeah it's small, wish it was bigger. It'd be more expensive then, and I think that the price is part of the gestalt of this product. 14mp is more than enough.
Size: About the same as a smartphone I think. Good for pocketability.
Okay so I pledged for the "24h sale" at $150 for the whole package. I shoot lots and lots of film. I will occasionally use my cell phone for documenting things or just grabbing photos but I hate using it, I hate transferring images, and I hate how I have to dig through menus to change stuff to taste. I think this thing will be good for quick snapshots and documenting stuff.
The good thing for me is I can probably unload it after the campaign on eBay for more than I even paid for it if I don't like it. It's basically a free trial. I bought the Lomo Petzval lenses (both of them) and didn't get along with either. Put them up on eBay and they went for more than I paid for them as an earlybird Kickstarter. No harm in trying it out.
AA batteries: Awesome! Don't have to have another charger, another proprietary battery, just pop in some of my rechargeables and go.
No screen: I think it's absolutely ridiculous on a Leica that costs more than my car. On this it makes total sense. No chimping, just shoot and don't worry about it.
digiFilm "cartridges:" Okay this is kind of dumb...but at the same time, it's basically preset menu settings that don't have to be fiddled with all the time. The wind-on thing is gimmicky but whatever. For the future, I would like to see a cartridge that can be connected via USB and a custom setup be installed so you could do different things depending on your preference. Also, with no cartridge it'd be nice if it reverted to auto-ISO, color, no cropping.
Sensor size: yeah it's small, wish it was bigger. It'd be more expensive then, and I think that the price is part of the gestalt of this product. 14mp is more than enough.
Size: About the same as a smartphone I think. Good for pocketability.
Okay so I pledged for the "24h sale" at $150 for the whole package. I shoot lots and lots of film. I will occasionally use my cell phone for documenting things or just grabbing photos but I hate using it, I hate transferring images, and I hate how I have to dig through menus to change stuff to taste. I think this thing will be good for quick snapshots and documenting stuff.
The good thing for me is I can probably unload it after the campaign on eBay for more than I even paid for it if I don't like it. It's basically a free trial. I bought the Lomo Petzval lenses (both of them) and didn't get along with either. Put them up on eBay and they went for more than I paid for them as an earlybird Kickstarter. No harm in trying it out.
BillBingham2
Registered User
Used X100 cameras are now about $300, how much more low cost do you want?
I don't want all the bells and whistles that can break. No fancy finder, just a basic VF/RF patch. I don't want all the buttons that can break, just a few to adjust the ISO and perhaps control playback/delete (though not required, a single to flip through ISO values would be fine.
Give me control over a leaf shutter (speed, manual cocking lever), aperture adjustment, focus, and three LED exposure meter (that you can turn off) for when I want it. APS-C sensor and fixed f1.8 lens with an effective focal length of 35mm please and thank you.
$350-400 is fine for a plastic camera with the reliability of a Bessa R2.
My issue with buying a used X100 is I worry about how soon will it break or go just enough out of spec?
B2 (;->
That seems like a lot for $350-400 BB2... but I'll take two.
BillBingham2
Registered User
ChrisPlatt
Thread Killer
The Kickstarter support so far indicates that many think this is a very good idea.
IMO the designers are on the right track.
Perhaps some innovative manufacturer will notice and improve upon this idea.
Kobayashi-san, are you listening?
Chris
IMO the designers are on the right track.
Perhaps some innovative manufacturer will notice and improve upon this idea.
Kobayashi-san, are you listening?
Chris
Spanik
Well-known
Don't get it. Is this a fixed 2.8 aperture? Only 5 speeds? I could get the idea of digifilm if that were also your memory carriers (they could put a µsd in it). But a proposed now, I don't get it. Probably getting too old. Oh well, got a Minister D, TL electro X and an EM if I want to use a Yashica.
I expected it would be those chinese that brought out a Kodak (was it, don't remember 100%) m34 out some time ago.
I expected it would be those chinese that brought out a Kodak (was it, don't remember 100%) m34 out some time ago.
A small sensor doesn't need a narrow aperture. Digifilm takes the place of a menu, since it has no screen for menu. It's a toy...you took it too seriously.
bayernfan
Well-known
people, it's $120. it's not going to break your bank. it's a toy. it's not supposed to stack up against an X100(). the negativity here is just crazy.
DougFord
on the good foot
Reminds me of the Amphicar Model 770, "It's not a good boat and it's not a good car, but it is both."
In a world of Konosts, I'll respect them for just bringing their product to market.
I'm not a customer but I do hope that they meet their customers expectations with regards to build quality and operational performance.
Well, in all fairness, they haven't yet either...
Georgiy Romanov
stray cat
Me want one!!! Yashica Awesome move. Yashica Y35: Leica without screen for homeless or modern scale focus simple and fun to use digital camera.