Disappointing Encounter With The X100F

jsrockit said:
If dpreview.com is any indication...you are completely correct. Many there don't even care if they will use the added functionality, as long as it wins the war between camera A and camera B.
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With some (few) exceptions, reading forums posts on DPReview is detrimental to your photographic health.
 
Michael Markey said:
Done deal then John :)

On a more serious note .... we seem to return to this subject time and time again.
I think that todays consumer want all this "versatility" in their cameras.
At least the ones that I speak to do .... the more it can do the more desirable it is.
Whether they actually use it ,of course, is a different matter.
I don`t believe its driven by the manufacturer ..... encouraged maybe but on the whole they know that the more a camera can do and the more connected it is the more attractive it is.
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You don't even need to go into the menus if you don't want to. The default values are a good place to start. So just pretend they don't exist. Curiosity killed the cat.
 
ptpdprinter said:
You don't even need to go into the menus if you don't want to. The default values are a good place to start. So just pretend they don't exist. Curiosity killed the cat.
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Agreed plus on every digital that I`ve owned I`ve always found a screen that has all the information on it that I want for whatever mode I`m in.
Usually ,for me ,its changing the ISO value.

If I need to change screens I just remember the number of button pushes that it takes to get me there from a given point.
Now to some that maybe too much but I don`t think it is given the increased versatility it affords.
 
Just because the X100F does have more options, it doesn't mean that You have to use them.

The Camera is only as complex as You want it to be and if You are fine with only adjusting the aperture, ISO and Shutter speed then You can use the camera like that or even run it in complete auto-mode.
 
I had a number of the X series and finally ended up with the X-Pro2. It seems every camera upgrade has a little better sensor and another gadzillon options added to the menu. Based on most of the postings on this forum nobody really wanted them. The X-Pro2 is the camera that I love/hate he most. Is Fuji in a race with other makers to see how many non-needed menu options can be added to an overly complex menu system?
 
I was able to get my hands on X100F in the store yesterday. Just as with X Pro 2, here is strange feel by looking into OVF. Different from classic film cameras OVFs.

I was trying to set this thing for split image focus, have it enabled in the menu, but it kept on giving me green boxes. I set another switch to manual and still green boxes.

And shutter release part was too flimsy for 1K$ camera.
 
David Hughes said:
Why isn't there a digital camera like the old film P&S's with a brilliant to excellent fixed lens and a straight forward set of controls and no menu maze?

Regards, David

* You have to unscrew the ring on the front of the lens and then screw on an adapter and then the lens hood has a bayonet fitting! Then you have to buy a new lens cap (from China) to fit the adapter. And as for the price of Fuji's lens hood...

Life was so simple in the days of film, sigh.
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A Rollei 35 digital would give Fuji a good run for the money. Yo... Voigtlander!
 
davhill said:
I believe the issue for many or even most people is Choice Without Guidance — that there are so many interlocking choices and no guidance from the manual, no information about why one or the other feature is useful in which situations, or what’s important and what’s trivial. That’s tremendously intimidating, and even if you do go into it and choose some things there’s endless uncertainty about what you’ve done. This becomes easier when you gain experience with many cameras of this complexity. Few consumers have that luxury—if I spend hundreds or thousands on a camera I expect to use it for 10 years or more. And this is why someone like Ken Rockwell (regardless of whether you agree) is of tremendous value: he has vast experience with old and modern cameras and can write sensibly about them. He wrote a User Guide for the X100 which leaves the manual in the dust because he runs through the options and says what he chose and why. He gives a baseline to start with confidence. It doesn’t matter if you agree entirely with his choices—i've changed several things. But having used the camera with his defaults and understanding his reasoning, I can make informed decisions about where to go from there.
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This is a very important analysis. The original X100 is still marvelous but these are not simple cameras. I read the whole manual, twice at least, but it was discussion here on RFF in 2011-12 that really helped me to set mine up and pare down the choices to what made the most sense for me, including the license to just shoot jpegs and make use of auto ISO up to 1600.

The lock button awareness was limited by Fuji’s own snafu: the firmware upgrade for that came with a pdf that talked of “rocking” the menu selector wheel, not locking....

Every now and then I’ll find my X100 has gone rogue with the viewfinder full of extraneous lines and numbers and guides, or it’s stuck on EVF etc. I almost need to write a cheat sheet for my solutions to these occasional intrusions/diversions.
 
I beg to differ.
Have Loved the 3 versions I shot with... x100, X100t, X100F
Fantastic camera for a Fixed lens perspective with a VF , truly !
 
I have the X100F. For my best results this is what I do:

It is always set on aperture priority and I thoroughly enjoy having the aperture ring on the lens for selecting the f-stop.

The ISO is set to 200 for 99% of my photography, occasionally I bump it up to ISO 400. It helps that I’m an outdoors daytime kind of photographer.

I prefer the EVF to the OVF.

Autofocus 50% of the time, manual the other half of the time; the distance scale in the viewfinder is very helpful for me.

I have settled on Astia film simulation as my standard.

I only shoot JPEGs with it.

A key point for me is to have the exposure adjustment dial set to 1/3 underexposed all the time.

That’s it. I keep it simple.

BTW, it’s a great little camera for travel. Here are a couple from a recent trip to Akita Japan.

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Mike
 
helenhill said:
I beg to differ.
Have Loved the 3 versions I shot with... x100, X100t, X100F
Fantastic camera for a Fixed lens perspective with a VF , truly !
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Helen--
While I agree with your assessment ("fantastic camera ..."), I quite frankly have no idea what you're begging about. There's been a few thoughts tossed about. Do you beg to differ that:

* A fullness of Options without Guidance leaves many users (me, that is) struggling
* Nobody wanted the upgrade features and capability
* The shutter button is too flimsy for a 1K$ camera
* Just because there's options doesn't mean you have to use them
* A Rollei 35 digital would give Fuji a run for its money

My bets are on (b) and (e), but you've left us begging for clarity

-- dave :)
 
Hello Dave,

Well to put it quite Simply
the Camera either works for You or Does Not...

Not sure what You mean "nobody wanted the upgrade festures & capabilities"

I for one Love the Acros simulation / 24 megapixel Fine though I was also satisfied with 16

Silly and Pure fantasy to say: a Rollei 35 digital would give fuji a run for it's money...
whose to say what it's capabilities would be , what ad ons or options it would have once made digital

Granted the shutter button is a tad light but not flimsy when I shoot

I still stand by my thoughts ... 1k i's a Fantastic camera and Lots of keepers re: photos
I also do very little PP in B&W ... another plus

Best Wishes~ H
 
I love my X100 (the first version). And yes, it is only 12megapixel. I know, someday I will upgrade it to another X100 version. I love the concept. It's a small camera that is a GREAT story creator machine... I don't know if I'm writing it well...

But as always, I know it isn't for everyone. And for me, a camera is all about feelings... what I feel when I use it, feelings when I see the pictures I have taken with it...

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helenhill said:
Hello Dave,

Well to put it quite Simply
the Camera either works for You or Does Not...

Not sure what You mean "nobody wanted the upgrade festures & capabilities"

I for one Love the Acros simulation / 24 megapixel Fine though I was also satisfied with 16

Silly and Pure fantasy to say: a Rollei 35 digital would give fuji a run for it's money... whose to say what it's capabilities would be , what ad ons or options it would have

Granted the shutter button is a tad light but not flimsy when I shoot

I still stand by my thoughts ... 1k i's a Fantastic camera and Lots of keepers re: photos
I also do very little PP in B&W ... another plus

It's purely subjective as your thoughts re: Fuji X100F

Best Wishes~ H
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Rollei 35 digital does not exist so yes.. it´s a fantasy but not silly: wouldn´t it be good to have competition from another brand invested in simplicity? No? Bad idea?
Great shots in this thread.
 
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If I should take only a camera with one lens, it would be a X100 camera. And sometimes I think I would be a better photographer if I had only this little/great camera...
 
colker, competition is always good. I think so. But today, there isn't another camera... if it were another one I would look at it also. :)
 
Rob-F said:
I've been using my original X100 for several years. I don't feel the need to try the later models. My X100 has everything I want, and nothing I don't!
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This is such a great model since it has no X-Trans garbage. I'll always hold onto my original X100 for that reason alone.
 
colker said:
Rollei 35 digital does not exist so yes.. it´s a fantasy but not silly: wouldn´t it be good to have competition from another brand invested in simplicity? No? Bad idea?
Great shots in this thread.
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Yes by all means bring on the competition ...

but makes no sense to ME
to compare or win an argument
with a Camera that exists to One that does not

Who knows what a 35 Rollei would truly be once made into a digital
 
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