xxloverxx
Shoot.
I vaguely remember a time when a photo could be used as proof for something (e.g. I was there, I did this, here's a photo of the receipt — I'm not lying!).
But I think that now, with photo editing getting to the level that it is (just look at how much you can do in Adobe CS5 —*(content aware fill, content aware resizing, distortion corrections, almost anything you'd ever want to do), do photos have the same power?
I remember, about 10 years ago, and I don't know if this goes with any of your experiences, if you had a photo, you had solid evidence for something and there was very little doubt about it. Now? If I show a photo that seems unlikely to any of my non-photog friends, most of them would claim that it'd been edited, or “photoshopped”, as they say…:bang:
But I think that now, with photo editing getting to the level that it is (just look at how much you can do in Adobe CS5 —*(content aware fill, content aware resizing, distortion corrections, almost anything you'd ever want to do), do photos have the same power?
I remember, about 10 years ago, and I don't know if this goes with any of your experiences, if you had a photo, you had solid evidence for something and there was very little doubt about it. Now? If I show a photo that seems unlikely to any of my non-photog friends, most of them would claim that it'd been edited, or “photoshopped”, as they say…:bang:
sleepyhead
Well-known
I agree - people don't instinctively TRUST what they see in pictures anymore.
Also, we are constantly being bombarded with images, so few have any real impact.
Visual fastfood
Also, we are constantly being bombarded with images, so few have any real impact.
Visual fastfood
user237428934
User deletion pending
There are enough examples of photo manipulation in history. I think russians where good in that because they often had to remove people off official photos because they vanished somehow. So nothing new. Now it's probably easier than ever to manipulate. We don't hear this so often so I think it's not a real problem today.
reala_fan
Well-known
Yep...
"Seeing is believing" is no longer true.
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"Seeing is believing" is no longer true.
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emraphoto
Veteran
There are enough examples of photo manipulation in history. I think russians where good in that because they often had to remove people off official photos because they vanished somehow. So nothing new. Now it's probably easier than ever to manipulate. We don't hear this so often so I think it's not a real problem today.
totally agree, the notion that "seeing is NOT believing" is a modern concept is ignoring this. there is also a whole load of software options out there to "seek the truth" from a DNG.
Mcary
Well-known
It was so much better in the old days, back then you knew that Alien or Three Head Goat Boy on the cover of the National Inquire was real and not something some one created in photoshop.
Andy Kibber
Well-known
It was so much better in the old days, back then you knew that Alien or Three Head Goat Boy on the cover of the National Inquire was real and not something some one created in photoshop.
Hahaha exactly!
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
True... Although not 100% secure, negatives and slide film have a higher value there...
Cheers,
Juan
Cheers,
Juan
user237428934
User deletion pending
I don't think that the real danger is that a single photo is manipulated. The far bigger danger is that whole stories are manipulated. In such a case it doesn't matter which medium a photographer uses. He takes a manipulated photo right when he presses the shutter.
@Juan: you can't resist to emphasize everywhere that film is better, right?
@Juan: you can't resist to emphasize everywhere that film is better, right?
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Where's Pickett? 
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
I don't think that the real danger is that a single photo is manipulated. The far bigger danger is that whole stories are manipulated. In such a case it doesn't matter which medium a photographer uses. He takes a manipulated photo right when he presses the shutter.
@Juan: you can't resist to emphasize everywhere that film is better, right?
Tom, you made me smile! I didn't post for that reason, I swear!
Cheers,
Juan
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
Where's Pickett?![]()
He's waiting for the next Kodak film sales report to give us a link...
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
He's waiting for the next Kodak film sales report to give us a link...![]()
Actually it's odd that he hasn't posted in over a week ... he's still active though because I checked and according to his profile he logged on a few hours ago!
user237428934
User deletion pending
Tom, you made me smile! I didn't post for that reason, I swear!
Cheers,
Juan
It's hard to see over the internet if your fingers are crossed while you say this
....No. I believe you.
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
I hope he's fine... He's a bit insistent (me too!) but he's not offensive, and his posts are usually right...
Cheers,
Juan
Cheers,
Juan
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
Tom, I certainly believe film isn't better for every shot... Sometimes I use my Polaroid back on my Hassy... 
Cheers,
Juan
Cheers,
Juan
robklurfield
eclipse
photos have always been nothing but facsimile representations of reality as seen by the photographer, always having strong element of elements of both interpretation and falsification inherent in them. the possibilities of both are simply greater now. photographs never reported the "truth" exactly; now that is certainly more the case than ever before. the mere act of how we chose to frame a shot or crop an image is an alteration. obviously things like photoshop and HDR are far more so. if you ever "trusted" photographs as "truth" you were taking a risk. the risk is higher now.
Chris101
summicronia
Where's Pickett?![]()
Wasn't he moving from Detroit to Virginia?
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