B+W guy NM
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I asked Jon Cone about that yesterday, he suggested some work arounds but they're anything but turnkey. What printer are you using, how are your results and ease of startup? Mike
Does anyone have experience with carbon inksets?
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B+W guy NM
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Just looked at your gallery, very nice B+W work. The muscles caught my eye in particular.
mrtoml
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I am using Piezo pro in a P900. The main problem starting up was flushing all the old colour ink out of the lines. Cone recommends using Piezoflush but I did not use that. Once this is done it is pretty good. I also have a spectrophotometer so I can linearize any paper I want using the Piezo pro toolkit.
I also have Paul Roark's eboni 6 inkset in an old 3880. I mix these inks myself. You can even use the epson driver rather that Quadtone RIP with this setup.
B+W guy NM
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Thanks for the info Mark. My ET-8550 has not had inks installed yet so I'm really hoping I can find a carbon set to run with it, thrilled it's an ecotank too. I got print samples from FW inks and the carbon museum is gorgeous, has a three-dimensional feel to it.
So you mix your own inks! Mr Roark just came on my radar, went to his site but I don't see where he sells ink, lots of very technical info though. So how do they compare to the Cone setup?
So you mix your own inks! Mr Roark just came on my radar, went to his site but I don't see where he sells ink, lots of very technical info though. So how do they compare to the Cone setup?
mrtoml
Mancunian
For the Roark I can get the black eboni ink (carbon pigment) in the UK. It should be easily available in the US. Then you mix a solution of water, glycerol and some surfactant (like photo flo) and dilute to different shades of grey. Anyone with darkroom experience would find this quite easy. You also then need empty carts with resettable chips (again easy to get in the UK for the 3880). Roark doesn't sell ink.
This is a pure carbon inkset so prints warm. I also use some canon blue ink to act as a toner to get neutral prints. The Eboni only prints on matte papers. Roark has a more recent formula that prints on both matte and glossy so if I were to convert a printer again I would go with that.
I would struggle to see a difference between eboni 6 and piezo on matte papers. But piezo is more flexible and there is support from Cone. With Roark you need to do more work with Quadtone RIP to linearize etc. Whereas Cone has software that does this for you so long as you have a spectro to measure patches.
B+W guy NM
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So I have some homework to do, thanks. Matt is probably fine for me, and a slight warm tone I'm finding appealing. From what I've read I still might have to cool off the carbon a bit though?
mrtoml
Mancunian
Roark recommends using different papers to adjust tone. Some papers print much warmer than others with the same inks. I have found this with piezography as well. But you won't get neutral prints without including a cool toner of some sort.
Also check out the quadtone rip group if you haven't already. Paul Roark sometimes posts there and answers questions.
QuadToneRIP groups.io Group
This group supports the QuadToneRIP Epson printer driver and the Print-Tool application written by Roy Harrington. QuadToneRIP runs on both Macs and Windows computers. Print-Tool is available only for the Mac. Posts to this list should relate to the use of these programs. Note that anyone can...
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B+W guy NM
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Didn't know there was such a group, but did think I'd need to learn QTR. Good thing I'm retired. You ever been to Dinorwick Slate mine in Wales Mark?Roark recommends using different papers to adjust tone. Some papers print much warmer than others with the same inks. I have found this with piezography as well. But you won't get neutral prints without including a cool toner of some sort.
Also check out the quadtone rip group if you haven't already. Paul Roark sometimes posts there and answers questions.
QuadToneRIP groups.io Group
This group supports the QuadToneRIP Epson printer driver and the Print-Tool application written by Roy Harrington. QuadToneRIP runs on both Macs and Windows computers. Print-Tool is available only for the Mac. Posts to this list should relate to the use of these programs. Note that anyone can...
mrtoml
Mancunian
No, but many of my ancestors were Welsh slate miners from Corris near Machynlleth. Although I have not visited there for about 30 years.
Corris Mine Explorers | VisitWales
B+W guy NM
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If you're not familiar with it, you might find it interesting, I would love to shoot there.No, but many of my ancestors were Welsh slate miners from Corris near Machynlleth. Although I have not visited there for about 30 years.
Corris Mine Explorers | VisitWales
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