Roger Hicks
Veteran
...and getting anti-criminal and anti-terrorist security on the cheap. This seems to me to fit very well with the underlying questions of 'what is photography for?' and 'how can we benefit from it?'
First, a legal right to photograph and publish anything in a public place that is not a Restricted Place within the meaning of the Official Secrets Act. No ifs, buts or maybes.
Second, a government-funded national street photography contest with significant monthly prizes and a big annual prize.
Someone is taking pictures you consider suspicious? Photograph him/her doing it. If they are a terrorist, or a paedophile, or a common thief casing the joint, this will greatly increase their chance of being caught. If they're not: well, you both have a legal right to photograph anything, including each other.
The cost would be trivial -- the prizes, and expenses for the judges.
I first proposed this in my column in Amateur Photographer magazine in the UK in (as far as I recall) October 2005, with the idea that Britain could become a Mecca for street photographers, as well as gaining the security advantages. As no-one in the UK seems keen on it I offer it to the rest of the world...
Cheers,
Roger
First, a legal right to photograph and publish anything in a public place that is not a Restricted Place within the meaning of the Official Secrets Act. No ifs, buts or maybes.
Second, a government-funded national street photography contest with significant monthly prizes and a big annual prize.
Someone is taking pictures you consider suspicious? Photograph him/her doing it. If they are a terrorist, or a paedophile, or a common thief casing the joint, this will greatly increase their chance of being caught. If they're not: well, you both have a legal right to photograph anything, including each other.
The cost would be trivial -- the prizes, and expenses for the judges.
I first proposed this in my column in Amateur Photographer magazine in the UK in (as far as I recall) October 2005, with the idea that Britain could become a Mecca for street photographers, as well as gaining the security advantages. As no-one in the UK seems keen on it I offer it to the rest of the world...
Cheers,
Roger
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Stephanie Brim
Mental Experimental.
Why don't we pull out a street photography contest on our own little forum? I'm getting a new rangefinder soon and my Kiev with the Sonnar is itching to be taken out again. The prizes don't have to be insane. Should we talk about it?
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Oh, blast, mis-typed 'street'. Can a moderator change this please?
Cheers,
R.
Cheers,
R.
tripod
Well-known
There's no way that a government is going to sponsor a street photography contest, even though it makes good sense - photographers are typically more visually perceptive and would make great "watch dogs" against terrorism, but privately sponsored strret photography contests would get photographers out onto the streets, asserting their rights. Great idea, Roger!
Perhaps we have found a leader for photographers' rights. Excellent credentials.
Perhaps we have found a leader for photographers' rights. Excellent credentials.
JoeV
Thin Air, Bright Sun
Roger, I like this idea; it keeps public photography above board and visible, while simultaneously addressing the supposed "security" concerns of photographing people, locations and buildings in public.
I would propose this could be implemented by the "it's better to ask for foregiveness than permission" theory, as a grass-roots movement of photographers assembling in an area en masse.
~Joe
I would propose this could be implemented by the "it's better to ask for foregiveness than permission" theory, as a grass-roots movement of photographers assembling in an area en masse.
~Joe
BillP
Rangefinder General
I am all for this. I am a firm believer in anything that gets people out and about with their cameras. If in so doing we assert our legal rights by peaceful means so much the better.
My suggestion would be a little more subtle, however - why not seek to get it sponsored by the Metropolitan Police as a "counterbalance"?
Regards,
Bill
My suggestion would be a little more subtle, however - why not seek to get it sponsored by the Metropolitan Police as a "counterbalance"?
Regards,
Bill
BillP
Rangefinder General
JoeV said:
Sort of Flash(mob)photography...?
Regards,
Bill
p.s. Please note removal of colour from quote to enhance READABILITY!!!!
tripod
Well-known
Street photographers: the solution, not the problem!
or
Street photography: the solution, not the problem!
Bloody excellent idea, Roger!
or
Street photography: the solution, not the problem!
Bloody excellent idea, Roger!
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BillP
Rangefinder General
I posted this in the "My Fellow Criminals" thread, that has now been relegated to "Off Topic" to kill it. I am therefore repeating it here:
http://fourthirds-user.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11964&postcount=7
This is simply the best statement of UK photographers' rights that I have seen in recent times, taking into account the recent anti-terrorism legislation. I would urge all UK street photographers to print and carry a copy.
Regards,
Bill
http://fourthirds-user.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11964&postcount=7
This is simply the best statement of UK photographers' rights that I have seen in recent times, taking into account the recent anti-terrorism legislation. I would urge all UK street photographers to print and carry a copy.
Regards,
Bill
JoeV
Thin Air, Bright Sun
BillP said:Sort of Flash(mob)photography...?
Regards,
Bill
p.s. Please note removal of colour from quote to enhance READABILITY!!!!
Yes, or perhaps a bit like Critical Mass, the bicycle-rights rally, only without the hijinks. I'm thinking of a name like "Exposure Time", or some-such photo-related terminology.
~Joe
tripod
Well-known
T-shirts that say:
Street photographers against terrorism.
or
Street Photograhy:
Smile if you're a terrorist.
Street photographers against terrorism.
or
Street Photograhy:
Smile if you're a terrorist.
Larky
Well-known
Let's do a competition. I have hosting space on a fast sever with unlimited bandwidth if you need a place to host it all. I also have access to a gallery in Norwich almost whenever I want.
I'd be well up for being involved some how.
I'd be well up for being involved some how.
MCTuomey
Veteran
stephanie, congrats on the new family member!!
my street photography is awful ... but i'd contribute to the prize fund just to see others' work.
my street photography is awful ... but i'd contribute to the prize fund just to see others' work.
cosmonot
uʍop ǝpısdn sı ǝʞ
Roger - thanks for supporting my idea!
Though I do think this initiative will be rendered useless without the mandatory state-sponsored photo classes in all elementary/primary/secondary/whatever schools. I mean, what good is a photo of a terrorist if it's out of focus, under/over exposed, and poorly composed? We can forget it's value to law enforcement. In that case, the best we can hope for is "fine art."
Though I do think this initiative will be rendered useless without the mandatory state-sponsored photo classes in all elementary/primary/secondary/whatever schools. I mean, what good is a photo of a terrorist if it's out of focus, under/over exposed, and poorly composed? We can forget it's value to law enforcement. In that case, the best we can hope for is "fine art."
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
this is on fine idea, how do we get the people who pass laws to go for it?
this will be especially good for the UK, and Henry Fox Talbot can finally stop rolling in his grave.
this will be especially good for the UK, and Henry Fox Talbot can finally stop rolling in his grave.
fidget
Lemon magnet
I wonder if the government consider street photography to be a "healthy" pursuit?
After all, they need more hospitalisation than most, don't they?
After all, they need more hospitalisation than most, don't they?
MickH
Well-known
cosmonot said:I mean, what good is a photo of a terrorist if it's out of focus, under/over exposed, and poorly composed? We can forget it's value to law enforcement. In that case, the best we can hope for is "fine art."
Cosmo, I know you're taking the p155, you must have seen the quality of the surveillance footage of shoplifters, muggers, terrorists etc. I wouldn't recognise my wife from most of that stuff!
Cheers.
gb hill
Veteran
Just think of the reverse theology of all this. Next time Bozo the rent a badge or some other nosy comes up to you and ask what are you doing? Just tell them you are a photographer for Homeland Security, (or some sort) and are out photographing the community for the ensure of keeping our streets safe from terrorist & crooks, perverts, etc.. We can become like the Guardian Angles in NYC. Instead of being the intimidated we then become the intimidators.
