Yes, Canon is the winner; they are sufficient size to realize maximum cost efficiencies. Leica is at the extreme other end of the curve...
Tuolumne
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digitalintrigue said:
The D300 is cheap - for what you get. I mean the same price only buys a fraction of an M8 - a slow, quiet shutter and an LCD screen cover. Can't shoot many pictures with just those parts.
/T
Tuolumne said:The D300 is cheap - for what you get. I mean the same price only buys a fraction of an M8 - a slow, quiet shutter and an LCD screen cover. Can't shoot many pictures with just those parts.
/T
Don't forget outbound and return shipping and 2 more years of warranty.For reference, over a 16 year span, 132,000 M6s were sold. That's 8250/year...the M8 is ahead of that pace.
dazedgonebye
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sitemistic said:
Perhaps Leica devotees would avoid such a camera as unworthy, but would the rest of the buying public avoid it because it says "Leica" on the front?
If Epson came out with a RD-2 with such a spec people would buy it, but if Leica builds it people won't?
Shac
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Well while I would agree with many of you that Leica as is (incl. An M9) has an extremely doubtful future, however, I also believe that there is still a market for a high quality APS or larger sensor “P&S” – like the Sigma DP1 but with a high quality zoom. The price can’t be over the top though.
Both Mike Johnston and Thom Hogan have previously discussed this kind of camera more effectively and I agree with their takes.
I do have several/too many Leicas & enjoy using most of them by the way.
David
Both Mike Johnston and Thom Hogan have previously discussed this kind of camera more effectively and I agree with their takes.
I do have several/too many Leicas & enjoy using most of them by the way.
David
Tuolumne
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digitalintrigue said:
For reference, over a 16 year span, 132,000 M6s were sold. That's 8250/year...the M8 is ahead of that pace.
Yeah, but the M8 has probably already shot its wad. Most people who wanted one already have one, certainly after the price increases were announced. I think the volumes are all down hill from here. Remember, relative to other cameras of the time, the M6 took just as good pictures in year 6 as it did in year 1. Relative to digital cameras 6 years hence, the M8 will be a paper weight.
/T
Nothing to prove, just a reference comparison.
I see Leica's current situation as an *opportunity*, albeit a challenging one; even if the owner's pockets are limitless it won't be easy.
I see Leica's current situation as an *opportunity*, albeit a challenging one; even if the owner's pockets are limitless it won't be easy.
sitemistic said:
Toby
On the alert
Next topic for discussion: The Titanic - how would have you arranged the deckchairs?
Followed by live streaming video of two bald men fighting over a comb
Followed by live streaming video of two bald men fighting over a comb
sherm
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dazedgonebye said:
It seems that is already the case.... in Erwin's article he reports that one of the reasons that Lee may have been let go is the dismal performance of the new mid-priced summarit line. These are not the products, nor will they be the products that devotees or for that matter the rest of us will purchase.
I would agree with much of what Kevin wrote earlier, they'll have to abandon all of what Leica holds dearly and holy if they are to move forward.
Ade-oh
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sherm said:
Introducing new manual RF lenses of admittedly lower quality than the premium lenses is very much re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic if you haven't got some kind of cash-cow to support them while they establish their niche in the very, very limited RF market. That really was throwing money down the drain.
That's it...does he have the money, and does he want to spend it?
Are there any buyers for the name and IP?
Time will tell.
Are there any buyers for the name and IP?
Time will tell.
Ade-oh said:
I thought that to be a curious product release. Anyone that wants a cheaper and/or slower M mount lens can already buy that from two other suppliers, for considerably less.
S
Socke
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digitalintrigue said:
The name has a value, but what IP?
V
varjag
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So to sum up the thread so far: Leica is not Canon and thus deserves to die.
Assuming they have various optical patents, etc.
Socke said:
heh.
Perhaps more like "Leica's got their work cut out for them."
Perhaps more like "Leica's got their work cut out for them."
varjag said:
Ade-oh
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varjag said:
The lesson is that a company selling consumer technology which fails to innovate is doomed to failure, however good their original product was.
jbf
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varjag said:
Um... yeah. You didn't know? We're changing the forum name to "CANON L337 g34r us3rs."
So yeah. That's pretty much it.
Frank Petronio
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Building better dslr lenses is pretty obvious. Guys who pay $8K for a 23mp Canon won't mind paying $3-5K for decent wide angle or a Noctilux type lens.
giellaleafapmu
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emraphoto said:
...to convince new users THAT the RF concept is a true alternative to DSLR? One should first make the statement true and then convince people it is. At the moment I my opinion it is not, for half the price of a Leica M8 you can get one of several cameras which produce better pictures (I means just optics and sensor, not the fact that possibly it is more difficult to take a given shot with a small silent camera rather than with a large one). Leica should start producing something new if the want to survive...
GLF