ethics (again)

[gns]

Just came across this older NY times piece. I guess I could have posted this to a number of existing threads, but then I'd have to pick which one. So, new thread, old topic...More fuel for the fire.

What do you think of the writer's distinction between a sketched and and a camera-made image? I don't think I agree with him. I especially have to question the term, "actual likeness". What does that mean? A likeness is just a likeness, right? Never the actual thing, but just a description of it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/magazine/sketched-out-on-the-subway.html?_r=0

 

[Ko.Fe.]

Crap! I followed link and my first outbreak of viglink happened!

 

[joe bosak]

same but now i've put an adblocker on it's gone away

 

[Michael Markey]

Getting it all the time now so I`ve stopped clicking on links.

 

[Arbitrarium]

If he's concerned about the 'scrutiny' of the artist, he shouldn't worry. I go to life drawing sessions and when I'm in "the zone", the model isn't a person, it's just an assortment of shapes and lines. The artist may be intently staring at you but they're not boring into your soul, they're just trying to get the angle of your chin right.

And moving to another carriage because an artist has chosen you as his subject? What a boring git.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

Worked for me with opting out at viglink page provided by RFF member at viglink dedicated thread.
I was able to proceed to NYT page. It is weird page. One part is some exercise of morality.
Another is gibberish text with only one thing I could understand. "Bloody Mary".
In Toronto they are not serving Bloody Mary anymore, they replaced tomato juice by clamato pee. I want my Canada back!

 

[tunalegs]

Just came across this older NY times piece. I guess I could have posted this to a number of existing threads, but then I'd have to pick which one. So, new thread, old topic...More fuel for the fire.

What do you think of the writer's distinction between a sketched and and a camera-made image? I don't think I agree with him. I especially have to question the term, "actual likeness". What does that mean? A likeness is just a likeness, right? Never the actual thing, but just a description of it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/magazine/sketched-out-on-the-subway.html?_r=0

Are pencil sketches photographs?

The wording is poor, but they are essentially correct. A freehand sketch is not a photograph. Do you draw?

 

[gns]

Are pencil sketches photographs?

The wording is poor, but they are essentially correct. A freehand sketch is not a photograph. Do you draw?

Of course they are different, but they are both likenesses. Neither is the actual thing.

As far as scrutiny goes, I don't think that is medium dependent. A photographer or a sketcher may be looking with more or less scrutiny as they work. It's more about who they are and how they work than about the medium.

 

[tunalegs]

Of course they are different, but they are both likenesses. Neither is the actual thing.

As far as scrutiny goes, I don't think that is medium dependent. A photographer or a sketcher may be looking with more or less scrutiny as they work. It's more about who they are and how they work than about the medium.

Technically they are both likenesses, but saying that makes them equivalent is just disingenuous. Why do you think your passport has a photo of you rather than a sketch? 🙂

 

[Ko.Fe.]

My photos of strangers in public are fully compliant with morals of NYT, Toronto star and
Photography Laws in the U.A.E.

Photography is a hobby you have to be very careful with in the UAE. Taking photos of people (particularly women) you haven't met before and who haven't given you their permission is illegal and can lead to arrest or fines.

https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-...he-united-arab-emirates#sharia-law-in-the-uae

 

[rfaspen]

Viglink! Now I see what people are talking about. Unwanted.

 

[robert blu]

I'm learning to draw and I do expect when sketching in open area soon or later someone will ask me if he's included in my sketch! So much paranoid around here...
robert

 

[Steve M.]

I didn't read the article because I guess I didn't need to. I started out as a painter/printer a long time ago (30-40 years ago), moved to photography, and am now doing both, w/ the emphasis on drawing/painting/printing (90/10). As long as you shoot a candid photo candidly, who cares? Even if that didn't happen, there's a way to shoot candid photos, and a way not to. If you are bothering someone, then there's a problem that needs to be fixed.

As for sketching or painting-on-the fly (or pastels, or whatever medium) , all's fair game at any time, anywhere. That's how I see it, and trust me, I have never, ever had anyone object to me sketching them, and I never ask for permission. Why would I? 99.9% of the time the subject is flattered. It's that way because it's MY interpretation of them, based upon my skill and the materials at hand, as well as the mood, the light, etc. That is very, very different than RECORDING someone's likeness w/ a machine. Still, you have to exercise common sense. People do not like being stared at, so the way I look at a subject in an informal setting is quite different than how I look at them in a formal, controlled environment. Looking in that context is worthless, you need to see. For informal, looking is fine.