Crasis
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Flyfisher Tom said:Crasis,
those shots look great at 1600!
Your second shot is precisely what I would call a nearly impossible bokeh background. I don't think it is harsh because of the lens, but because the background itself (the old tree with lots of leaves test) is nearly impossible for any lens to survive.
thanks for posting
Oh of course it's a really difficult shot for any lens, but I was trying to push the limits of the little lens. You're welcome also.
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StuartR
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Here is an example of the Hexar AF at f/2 and 1 meter or less for comparison:
By the way, Crasis, lovely shots!
By the way, Crasis, lovely shots!
bobomoon
Established
here's a 2nd version wide open shot just for the sake of comparison:
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
My thoughts exactly. I think the lens did pretty well under those circumstances. It certainly has that "wavy" Leica feeling here and there I get with the tabbed 'cron, but under the very same circumstances.Flyfisher Tom said:
Dangit. Must invest in fool's retirement plan...
Very very nice, bobomoon.
:::aaaaaahhh!:::
Dfin
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The photos from the earlier lens have a rich creaminess to them, much like a Barossa Valley Cab Sav, as opposed to the gritty earthiness of a Hunter Valley Shiraz. If you can try a Penfolds cab sav and a McWilliams Phillip shiraz and you`ll see what I mean.
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Magus
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fitzihardwurshd
Spiteful little devil
Flyfisher Tom said:
Tom,
it was all interesting to read and also to watch the well done samples of people who really use this lens and do not only talk about it, these photos and Jim Arnolds brilliant comparison were confirming the decision I once made, I did NOT buy a pre asph . Mainly because the great bokeh is IMHO payed with a price too high, this lens is simply soft at f2, much too soft that I personally could find it to be still an acceptable compromise.
I am not a sharpness fetishist and I like the look of the old uncoated lenses but this blur is too much, even when I consider the fact that the scans do not say the whole truth. The gap itself is obvious in any case.
Best,
Fitzi
Palaeoboy
Joel Matherson
Yes as mentioned it was a comparison of the 2 together. I prefer 40mm lenses myself so it was a friends lenses used, so I have no bias one way or another which often drives opinion. In backlit subjects the version 4 did have a veiled flare while the ASPH exhibited the undesirable double line bokeh that people notice in the 40mm Nokton as well. My real point was that the ASPH isnt so far ahead of the Version 4 that one should only consider the ASPH. Both lenses have their virtues and as is often the case like with my friend that he has kept both for that reason. But just as its ok to say that one lens blows away the other I feel equally free to say where I respectfully disagree. Keeping in mind there are no bad Summicrons after all. I have seen far worse said about the bokeh of the 40mm Nokton with equal discussion agreeing or disagreeing. To do the same with the same with a sacred cow like the ASPH summicron seems to evoke more emotions apparently.
I have seen that comparison that you have posted. Unfortunatey it doesnt show much really and every time I look at it i feel that the focus is slightly different on one of the pole shots, maybe small size web shots make it deceptive. I will ask the owner of the comparison shots if they will permit me to post them. But if you want to ask about 40mm lenses then I can help you personally LOL.
Dfin
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Beer comparison,one is a rich creamy guiness, the other a sharp palate cleanising pilsener!
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Magus
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Dfin
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Magus, sadly I have no experience of LTM lenses, I very nearly bought a 111c that was listed here, but it appears to have been sold.
axiom
Non-Registered User
well...
I am sorry for reviving this old thread, it just turned out in my google search.
King of Bokeh huh? so how does it compare to Noctilux f1?
What title the Noctilux deserves? will it be Queen of Bokeh? or God of Bokeh?
I am sorry for reviving this old thread, it just turned out in my google search.
King of Bokeh huh? so how does it compare to Noctilux f1?
What title the Noctilux deserves? will it be Queen of Bokeh? or God of Bokeh?
visiondr
cyclic iconoclast
f/2.8, FP4+, HC-110 (H)
f/2.0, Neopan 400, HC-110 (H)
maddoc
... likes film again.
According to Mike Johnston [Lens Bokeh Ratings], the "King of Bokeh" (35mm Summicron-M IV) got a "10" out of a ranking list from 1 to 10 (10 = best) and the Noctilux a " 3 - 10", depending on usage....
nome_alice
Established
oh gosh! i'm sorry, wrong thread. this was shot with the ultron 35/1.7
oops sorry about that guys :angel:
Never Satisfied
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Looks like the GPO?
Andrew.
Andrew.
HuubL
hunter-gatherer
Just found this thread. M6 + v4 Summicron 35mm.
Basking Nile geese.
Nile Geese were imported from Egypt as a decorative bird and after some twenty years have now spread in Holland so that according to some they are a plague. They're a beautiful variety of goose, but are very aggressive towards much bigger local varieties.
Basking Nile geese.
Nile Geese were imported from Egypt as a decorative bird and after some twenty years have now spread in Holland so that according to some they are a plague. They're a beautiful variety of goose, but are very aggressive towards much bigger local varieties.
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skibeerr
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Posted this one before in the Bokeh thread.
My son, close up at f2. A friend who has the lens now finds it soft in comparison to his 35mm .summilux asph