Paul T.
Veteran
It's not hard to find the error: it's the size of an elephant.
Every racial generalisation/stereotype I've heard like this invariably precedes some racist comment. And that old "They don't WANT to be one of us" line quite often precedes something worse. You might not mean to group yourself with anti-Semites, but you're quoting their stock phrases.
Ororaro
Well-known
Why I deleted my post, you ask?
Because it has been drawn to a direction I frankly dislike. If Ms Zimbel didn't like what we're my first impressions, that's her problem.
But now the thread's gone into some sort of Racist-Anti-Racist, Back to roots politically correct BS I can't stand.
There's Fred apologizing for his roots and that other guy respecting him tremendously for coming to terms. How Cheezier can we go?
I have no plans into participating in a political discussion with people that have Highly poluted brains caused by western media, people who Watch CNN with pop-Corn and rooting for Team USA.
End of cheeziness,
Because it has been drawn to a direction I frankly dislike. If Ms Zimbel didn't like what we're my first impressions, that's her problem.
But now the thread's gone into some sort of Racist-Anti-Racist, Back to roots politically correct BS I can't stand.
There's Fred apologizing for his roots and that other guy respecting him tremendously for coming to terms. How Cheezier can we go?
I have no plans into participating in a political discussion with people that have Highly poluted brains caused by western media, people who Watch CNN with pop-Corn and rooting for Team USA.
End of cheeziness,
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horosu
Well-known
Guys , this is getting a bit hot over here 
. Ned deleted his first post in response to the email.
I see no reason to discuss this any further.
Some of you have already "reached" very far "conclusions" based on statements that "might" mean something offensive, etc.
Let's cool down
. Ned deleted his first post in response to the email.I see no reason to discuss this any further.
Some of you have already "reached" very far "conclusions" based on statements that "might" mean something offensive, etc.
Let's cool down
wray
Well-known
I couldn't agree more! It was Ned's original post and he deleted it in what I see as a positive response to what is obviously devolving into some negative areas.Guys , this is getting a bit hot over here
I see no reason to discuss this any further.
Some of you have already "reached" very far "conclusions" based on statements that "might" mean something offensive, etc.
Let's cool down
Ororaro
Well-known
Hey Ray, what's up?
You have to admit, I'm giving a good show.
You have to admit, I'm giving a good show.
Paul T.
Veteran
Yay, go boy! Any more laughable stereotypes you want to spill over this thread! You've made so many friends, along with that photographer!
I'll be wandering around London's Cable Street tomorrow, and thinking of you.
Ororaro
Well-known
Paul, you funny. You are EXTREMELY misinformed, Naive, mean and again, Naive. If you knew what you we'retalking about you wouldn't be talking about Cable street.
I'll be in Kosovo and Aleksinac thinking of you and your idealistic fellows who protected al-qaeda. You want to go deep into this history? Let's go.
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rxmd
May contain traces of nut
But ask an American Serb what he is and he'll tell you he's a Serb. Find the error.
Now I'm anti-Slavonic? Pfff.
Philipp
Ororaro
Well-known
Pffff! Even funnier. Philipp, I didn't expect you to fall this deep. I'm not understanding your point. You're sarcasm is not effective on this one. Only the Jews separate themselves not by their physical roots but by their religion. Nothing new, he?
I won't call you anything. I am not that type. Slavic people don't have thin skin and you probably know that very well. We're not sissies. So don't expect any name calling from me and you can never expect a slav crying out loud against anti-slav propaganda. For a Slav person, that's being a cry-baby.
Countdown shows as much if not more serbs dead then jews in wwII, serbs which by the way protected jews. Nobody knew that around here, huh?
So many historical events too many of you know nothing about but yet all you know is to point someone and find faults to talk about.
It's become too crazy around here. Too many morons looking for a fight, too many incult people trying to sound refined. Too many girlies Ballet Dancing and talking about politics they watch on TV instead of talking about photography.
And that othre guy will go on Canal street thinking about me. Geez, not only is he incult but childish to boot.
What a mess.
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rxmd
May contain traces of nut
Hi Ned,
I think the religious argument doesn't hold water anymore. Jewish communities in Germany complained that many of the former Soviet Jews that came to Germany after 1991 weren't particularly religious and didn't identify with their religion all that much. In pracice, Jews are probably just as secular today as everybody else in their surroundings nowadays.
Philipp
Well I admit that I was being somewhat polemical. It's just that people don't usually have just one identity. What they will answer to that question depends very much on the context where it is asked. To exaggerate a little bit: Ask a Serb Jew in Serbia, and he'll be a Jew; ask him in Israel, and he'll be a Serb; ask him in America, and it will depend on who he's hanging out with. Ask a German Turk in Turkey, and he'll be a German. I've met countless of people with these hybrid identities, and I believe this sort of thing is now more common than a clearly defined identity.
I'm not sure. Firstly I have met a lot of Jews in the former Soviet Union who had Jew in their passport under "nationality" and who considered themselves Jews (and Soviet/Russian/Uzbek/Ukrainian citizens), but who weren't particularly religious. When I'm in a Muslim country, I identify myself as a Christian, because that's the category that everybody is thinking in, even though I'm not much of a practising Christian.
I think the religious argument doesn't hold water anymore. Jewish communities in Germany complained that many of the former Soviet Jews that came to Germany after 1991 weren't particularly religious and didn't identify with their religion all that much. In pracice, Jews are probably just as secular today as everybody else in their surroundings nowadays.
Oh but I've had countless of discussions with Slavs about nationalism and Slavic identity and how they felt about it. (I speak two Slavonic languages and read another two or three.) I don't think my in-laws are any less Slavic if they mention that they don't like how Slavs have a bad name in Western Europe (or that's at least how they perceive it.) Ithink in any nation you can always find someone who feels strongly for his own national or ethnic identity and who will speak out if someone speaks badly about this identity.
I think this particular strand of discussion is rather fruitless. I could argue that much more Russians died than anyone else, or that a lot of Germans died, too. But all this is going to accomplish is a macabre sort of pissing contest who has more deaths, and I don't really see what is to be gained from that.
Philipp
Pablito
coco frío
Paul T.
Veteran
It was Cable Street, not Canal street. Shame you don't know the difference between one country and another.
Cable Street is hte heart of London's East End, where the dockers and students, Jewish and non-Jewish, gave the fascists a good kicking. Thereafter, they were finished in Britain.
A reminder: you raied this issue. I find it bizarre that anyone in a supposedly modern world is obsessed by whether people are Jewish or not, as you seem to be. This isn't political correctness: it's humanism.
There was an intriguing thread on Robert Frank recently. The cop, a thug, was obsessed with whether Frank was a Commie, or European, or a NEw Yorker, or a Jew, or a Ballet-Dancer, all interchangeable: not like us. If you want to be a photographer, perhaps you had better learn to understand people, not label them.
Cable Street is hte heart of London's East End, where the dockers and students, Jewish and non-Jewish, gave the fascists a good kicking. Thereafter, they were finished in Britain.
A reminder: you raied this issue. I find it bizarre that anyone in a supposedly modern world is obsessed by whether people are Jewish or not, as you seem to be. This isn't political correctness: it's humanism.
There was an intriguing thread on Robert Frank recently. The cop, a thug, was obsessed with whether Frank was a Commie, or European, or a NEw Yorker, or a Jew, or a Ballet-Dancer, all interchangeable: not like us. If you want to be a photographer, perhaps you had better learn to understand people, not label them.
jan normandale
Film is the other way
please let this thread die.... Please?
Ororaro
Well-known
You're tiring. And if you are a Jew I will call you a tiring Jew just because. Get off your soap box and go hang yourself on that Cable street if it suits you. I couldn't care less about you and your thoughts. No, really. Who are you? What are you? Internet police? Do I owe you something? I work with jewish people on a daily basis. My Doctor is jewish. My best friend converted to judaism so he could marry his wife. I have no idea what you want from me. Get off my back. Go on that street of yours and think of me all you like. Don't forget that gay magazine if it helps you think of me in a different manner. I don't care. Cut it off with your moronic political correctness.
WTF?
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Ororaro
Well-known
And Paul,
Just before I leave this thread for good, I have to tell you and your thin skinned friends around here that in my original post I reffered to "Montreal Jews" as something very positive.
Leonard Cohen, Mordecai Richler, two renowned montrealers. Schwartz, an institution. Montreal Bagels... So many institutions, so many artistic legends. All from where I live. Too many to count them. All here, right in my quart.
My original post was a tribute, an imagery. It was in good spirit. All until this mess.
You say:
You have a serious problem.
Just before I leave this thread for good, I have to tell you and your thin skinned friends around here that in my original post I reffered to "Montreal Jews" as something very positive.
Leonard Cohen, Mordecai Richler, two renowned montrealers. Schwartz, an institution. Montreal Bagels... So many institutions, so many artistic legends. All from where I live. Too many to count them. All here, right in my quart.
My original post was a tribute, an imagery. It was in good spirit. All until this mess.
You say:
I'm sorry but you are the one who needs a reminder. You, among some others, got itched about the word Jew.
You have a serious problem.
nobbylon
Veteran
I don't get it, a peugeot 10 speed is an old fashioned bike
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tomasis
Well-known
did that peugeot had a motor in the cycle?
Paul T.
Veteran
It's not only Jewish, ballet-dancing gay minorities who would think this kind of remark pathetic. Most people I know would, apart from the odd cop in '50s Arkansas. It is nonsense on so many levels.
I also recognise that phrase almost word-for-word from Victor Klemperer's diaries - you should read them, he made a study of this kind of vocabulary.
You're not threatening, I just wonder how long you'd last in any creative profession, to which I presume you aspire, spouting this nonsense then puffing your chest out like a scared bar-room bully when you're called on it.
Highway 61
Revisited
No, only Laprade pedals with Christophe leather lanyards...did that peugeot had a motor in the cycle?
nobbylon
Veteran
Did the Peugeot look like this?! Seriously though, I don't know what was originally said but I'm sure no disrespect was intended, however it does seem to have been taken. People get labelled all the time, rightly or wrongly and personally I try and steer clear of any words written or in conversation that relate to race, religion, color or otherwise as there is always someone who wants to argue or take offense when it really wasn't intended. Some people can't help it.
I just watched the news this morning, Burma cyclone, China earthquake etc. These are events I believe more worthy of energy and interest than some misplaced comment and misinterperatation. Instead of being happy that a lot of us are interested in his photo's I suspect a few off us are now thinking otherwise. I know I am.
And before anyone says anything or calls me names or attempts to make me feel bad about the above rant, be happy your alive, get out on your bike, motorcycle etc, take your rangefinder and get some perspective
Seriously though, I don't know what was originally said but I'm sure no disrespect was intended, however it does seem to have been taken. People get labelled all the time, rightly or wrongly and personally I try and steer clear of any words written or in conversation that relate to race, religion, color or otherwise as there is always someone who wants to argue or take offense when it really wasn't intended. Some people can't help it. I just watched the news this morning, Burma cyclone, China earthquake etc. These are events I believe more worthy of energy and interest than some misplaced comment and misinterperatation. Instead of being happy that a lot of us are interested in his photo's I suspect a few off us are now thinking otherwise. I know I am.
And before anyone says anything or calls me names or attempts to make me feel bad about the above rant, be happy your alive, get out on your bike, motorcycle etc, take your rangefinder and get some perspective
