FAST B&W - Non-Tri-X Question :)

[dcsang]

Check the Ilford data sheet on Delta 3200 ... it recommends developer/time combos up to EI25000.

Peter

Thanks Peter,

I'll whip over to Downtown Camera in a few minutes to check it out 🙂

Cheers
Dave

 

[peterc]

I'll whip over to Downtown Camera in a few minutes to check it out

I'll be dropping over there in a couple of hours on my way in to work ... gotta pick up some slides I shot over the past couple of days.

Peter

 

[dcsang]

At risk of offending the curlers on the board, a friend of mine defined curling as "shuffleboard on ice for drunks".

Peter

At the risk of offending the entire east coast of Canada; then it's no wonder the Newfoundland rinks are SO GOOD !! 😀

Dave

 

[peterc]

then it's no wonder the Newfoundland rinks are SO GOOD !!

There's nothing like REAL screech. 😀

Peter

 

[kaiyen]

FWIW - Microphen keeps a lot better than XTOL. I have a 2.5 liter pack in my gallon bottle (so that's 1.3 liters of air) that I use at stock for TXT @800+ and Delta 3200 at all speeds. I reuse the developer about 15-17 times without time adjustment. It's taken me as long as 4 months to reach that number of times and I've not had problems.

Microphen also comes in 1 liter packs, so that's only about 10 uses.

allan

 

[jlw]

There's no reason to make this any harder than it has to be. Either Kodak T-Max P3200 in T-Max liquid developer or Ilford Delta 3200 in Ilford DDX developer (both are liquids) will give you results as good as you can get at these ratings.

 

[allthumbs]

In the push-developer shootout in January's Black&White Photography, Mike Crawford tried Champion Promicrol, which is sold as a stock solution. He was impressed, and found right in the middle of the pack of 5 in terms of contrast, smoothness and granularity. He wasn't as successful with the other liquid he tried, Maco Rollei High Speed. Of course he buys in the UK and YMMV.

 

[aad]

Nobody likes HC-110?

 

[peterc]

So, Dave, what'd you get?

Peter

 

[back alley]

my vote is also for delta 3200 in ddx

 

[peter_n]

Nobody likes HC-110?

Apparently not. 🙁 I'm going to try it with NP1600, not at the ISO Dave is talking about but I think something like soln. H will work quite well.

 

[Trius]

And a nice silver for Finland... first curling medal for Finland ever, and a great achievement.

As for the DDX ... from what I have read, it produces higher base fog than some other developers, but I've only used it once, for PanF+ and I haven't made any prints from those negs. The higher base density may influence your choice and results.

I'll take the beer, unless Steph makes it to the next Toronto gathering. 😀

 

[titrisol]

Trius, I don;t have a densitometer but after I read your post I went and compared negatives from the same film (EFKE 100 and APX100) in DDX and Rodinal for fb+f

To my eyes they empty frames look identical for both developers.

 

[dcsang]

There's been rumours floating around that the EFKE film is, in fact, the same film as APX. I haven't tried the EFKE yet but if it is, it should be interesting.

I opted for Delta3200 and DDX - one roll is done and I need to process it but I have a roll of Acros to dev first later this evening.

Thanks for all the input guys, should make for some interesting output I hope.

Cheers
Dave

 

[titrisol]

EFKE/ADOX is a very different film to APX.
APX was the most modern of the classic emulsion films, ADOX/EFKE is a classic emulsion.

I have tried both, and maybe I was not clear enough on my previous but I compared APX to APX and EFKE 100 to EFKE 100 just developed in 2 different soups each.

Acros first? I would do it opposite.
D3200 needs more "punch" than Acros.

 

[dcsang]

I'm going to process the Acros first 🙂 I never used it as the high speed film like Delta 3200 that I shot at 6400.

Acros will be processed in Rodinal and I'll see what I can do with Delta. I may process the Delta at 12800 even though I shot it at 6400 just to see if I can get it more punchy that way.

Ya know.. it's the "Silvertone" or "Rollei" film that I had heard about that's apparently APX - not the EFKE. My mistake. I've heard of someone bringing back APX 25 even.. but I can't remember who would be doing that.

Cheers
Dave

 

[titrisol]

silvertone 400 = apx 400 yes

the "rollei" films, I'm not so sure the are apxs.
As per APX25, i seriously doubt it'll be back.

 

[kaiyen]

As a general rule, if you're going by recommended times from Ilford or, I think, the MDC you need to develop for EI X as if you had shot for EI 2x. So if you shot at 6400, then go for 12800 times.

FWIW, even though you are not using Microphen, I have:

Delta 3200 in Microphen at EI 6400 1+0 20:00 30s initial, 1 inversion each minute

allan

 

[dcsang]

Needless to say, I'm impressed with the Delta 3200 @6400 and dev'd in Ilford DDX for 12500.

Here's a few samples, all shot with the Canon 50 1.2 @ 1.2

Thanks for the input guys,
Dave

 

[peterc]

I do like the 4th shot. Seems to have worked well for you.

Peter