rinzlerb
Established
Thanks for explaining! I think this explains weird intermittent light leaks I've seen on some of my shots. It must be from bobbling the film when I take it out of my yashicamat 124g. I've also wondered about the lab being sloppy.
kuzano
Veteran
I lost three rolls of film
I lost three rolls of film
I've had about a dozen of the interchangeable lens G 690, bl and Gl camera's. One Fuji GSW690.
I "fat rolled" the first three rolls on my very first G690, before noting in the INSTRUCTION MANUAL (RTFM of course) that one need "keep tension on the film roll while closing the camera.
My response is that "fat rolling" is NEVER a function of the camera. It is a USER ERROR!!! Always.
120 or 220. I never lost another roll to binding up in mid roll and having to open and strip the film out of the camera, ie a FAT ROLL.
Again, the user manual is clear on this, but does not emphasize the result of not using enough tension on the roll while closing the camera. It take three fingers inside the camera holding the roll under tension and one thumb on the wind on lever, holding that tension on the lever as closing the door.
I've even been tempted to put my tongue into play to avoid "fat rolling" the load.
Look in your manual. The notation is there. This is a simple camera. There is no reason for the camera to be at fault in this matter. User error.
I note the comments on rolls sitting idle in the camera. I do not think this is pertinent, nor a cause of "Fat Rolls" or film binding in mid roll. I think it is entirely cause by a loose feed on loading and takeup. I've left film in many of my Fuji BTL's and never had a "Fat Roll" simply as a result of time on the shelf.
Just like flying... one good landing for every good takeoff!!!!:bang:
I lost three rolls of film
I've had about a dozen of the interchangeable lens G 690, bl and Gl camera's. One Fuji GSW690.
I "fat rolled" the first three rolls on my very first G690, before noting in the INSTRUCTION MANUAL (RTFM of course) that one need "keep tension on the film roll while closing the camera.
My response is that "fat rolling" is NEVER a function of the camera. It is a USER ERROR!!! Always.
120 or 220. I never lost another roll to binding up in mid roll and having to open and strip the film out of the camera, ie a FAT ROLL.
Again, the user manual is clear on this, but does not emphasize the result of not using enough tension on the roll while closing the camera. It take three fingers inside the camera holding the roll under tension and one thumb on the wind on lever, holding that tension on the lever as closing the door.
I've even been tempted to put my tongue into play to avoid "fat rolling" the load.
Look in your manual. The notation is there. This is a simple camera. There is no reason for the camera to be at fault in this matter. User error.
I note the comments on rolls sitting idle in the camera. I do not think this is pertinent, nor a cause of "Fat Rolls" or film binding in mid roll. I think it is entirely cause by a loose feed on loading and takeup. I've left film in many of my Fuji BTL's and never had a "Fat Roll" simply as a result of time on the shelf.
Just like flying... one good landing for every good takeoff!!!!:bang:
Huss
Veteran
yeah, it's this what I think I missed.
I hope the roll I put in a few days ago is ok cuz I kept the tension on while loading, but maybe not on the lever when I closed the back.
NY_Dan
Well-known
Roll the fat roll spool in flour and look for the wet spot before inserting the film tab -- that should insure proper film tab penetration, and hopefully it won't slip out at the wrong time -- or before you're done shooting your roll. Medium format is indeed quite tricky. Better luck next time -- there's plenty of fat rolls in the sea, so no worries. Screw one roll up, and another is sure to roll along.
gb hill
Veteran
What does fat rolling mean? The only fat rolling I ever experienced was way back in the day when I rolled a big fat joint.
NY_Dan
Well-known
Yowzer, that's phat!
Denverdad
Established
I can report two situations where fat rolls have been an issue.
The first was with Holgas where I have had experiences much like like robert blu mentioned. In fact, I wonder if the term "fat roll" wasn't actually coined by Holga users since those cameras seem to be so prone to it (Google "Holga" and "fat roll" and you will see what I mean!). My Holga came with a simple sponge as its only excuse for a film tensioner, but in classic Holga tradition this sponge dislodged one day to get rolled up with the film on the take-up spool, actually causing a fat roll, instead of preventing it!
The other situation has to do with re-rolling 120 film onto 620 spools, for use with vintage 620 cameras. I think it must have something to do with the different spindle diameter of the two spools, but I have found that even with very careful rolling technique there is a tendency for the re-spooled film to suddenly let go, unwinding like a broken watch spring! Maintaining a finger or two on the re-spooled roll at all times is important, but this presents a challenge when loading the roll into a camera and closing the back. I first discovered this unfortunate unwinding tendency while loading a Kodak Duaflex camera one day, when the take-up spool let go just an instant before I could get the back closed and causing a partially fogged roll.
Jeff
The first was with Holgas where I have had experiences much like like robert blu mentioned. In fact, I wonder if the term "fat roll" wasn't actually coined by Holga users since those cameras seem to be so prone to it (Google "Holga" and "fat roll" and you will see what I mean!). My Holga came with a simple sponge as its only excuse for a film tensioner, but in classic Holga tradition this sponge dislodged one day to get rolled up with the film on the take-up spool, actually causing a fat roll, instead of preventing it!
The other situation has to do with re-rolling 120 film onto 620 spools, for use with vintage 620 cameras. I think it must have something to do with the different spindle diameter of the two spools, but I have found that even with very careful rolling technique there is a tendency for the re-spooled film to suddenly let go, unwinding like a broken watch spring! Maintaining a finger or two on the re-spooled roll at all times is important, but this presents a challenge when loading the roll into a camera and closing the back. I first discovered this unfortunate unwinding tendency while loading a Kodak Duaflex camera one day, when the take-up spool let go just an instant before I could get the back closed and causing a partially fogged roll.
Jeff
Huss
Veteran
The roll I shot yesterday was nice and toight! Like a bong and a blintz!
And I made sure to keep the tension on the next one I just loaded, not just while loading but also on the wind on lever while closing the back.
Phew, I much prefer user error than a mechanical issue!
And I made sure to keep the tension on the next one I just loaded, not just while loading but also on the wind on lever while closing the back.
Phew, I much prefer user error than a mechanical issue!
Huss
Veteran
2 more rolls shot. No fatties. Groovy.
Huss
Veteran
All is cool
GW690III, Ilford FP4
The actual image is pin sharp, as expected, but this photobucket copy seems blurry..
GW690III, Ilford FP4
The actual image is pin sharp, as expected, but this photobucket copy seems blurry..
Prest_400
Multiformat
Nice! Id does look as if compression did its deed on your shot. The text is blurred
I've had a related incident. Loaded up provia the other day and today I took my first frame of a scene down my street...
When I realised I left the lens cap on. D'Oh!
Unwilling to let that first frame to be a waste, I went into the dark, unloaded and rerolled the film.
Curiously, I felt a "bump" which I guess is the paper to film transition area, and it still was there when I finished rewinding... Kept it a bit tense but it seemed a bit fattier than normal.
Reloaded on my desk and went smoothly.
I've had a related incident. Loaded up provia the other day and today I took my first frame of a scene down my street...
When I realised I left the lens cap on. D'Oh!
Unwilling to let that first frame to be a waste, I went into the dark, unloaded and rerolled the film.
Curiously, I felt a "bump" which I guess is the paper to film transition area, and it still was there when I finished rewinding... Kept it a bit tense but it seemed a bit fattier than normal.
Reloaded on my desk and went smoothly.
Huss
Veteran
Yeah, photobucket compression sux.
Nice work on reloading your camera! I'm too clumsy to have been able to pull that off.