Film and airports

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in two weeks, I'll be taking a trip to Salt Lake City, Utah.. it'll be the first time I've taken a real camera through an airport

I haven't decided for sure, but I'm thinking of taking just a Canonet (and possibly my Contax T) in order to KISS, and minimize any trauma due to damage or theft.. it will also allow me to stuff the camera in a carry-on along with my laptop

but my real concern is how to handle travelling with film through airports.. I'm thinking of shooting all slide film and mailing it to A&I in prepaid mailers while I'm still in Utah, rather than hassling with security checks and x-ray equipment.. given the extreme security measures in the US, what tips can you give me?
 
As long as it is in your carryon, film up to ISO 800 can be safely x-ray'd, Brett. You can request to have the film and cameras hand-checked, but many inspectors do not want the hassle. If your film is faster, then I would suggest a lead film bag.
 
I can only speak for Canadian airports, but the last time I flew (a couple of months ago) they separated my film and digital cams and flagged the x-ray operator when the film camera/film was coming. No problem with 400ASA film.
However, they said EVERYTHING had to go through the x-ray (because the flight was going to pass into U.S. airspace) so I'd suggest buying faster film at your destination and having it processed there (or mail it to yourself).

Peter
 
ray_g said:
As long as it is in your carryon, film up to ISO 800 can be safely x-ray'd, Brett. You can request to have the film and cameras hand-checked, but many inspectors do not want the hassle. If your film is faster, then I would suggest a lead film bag.
I've read that lead film bags are useless because the x-ray operators will just crank up the machines even higher until they get an idea of what you're hiding
 
this is something i was wondering too. so 400 speed is TOTALLY safe? i normally shoot neopan 1600, but could just take 400 and push it as i want the most hassle-free exchange at the airport possible!
 
Another caution. Take the film out of the cameras to go through x-ray. They do crank up the power to see what's inside the camera at some airports.

Peter
 
Has anyone ever had exposed 1600 go through the security x-ray (in a carry-on), and what were the effects? I didn't know that >800 wasn't safe and therefore a roll of 1600 I shot at my brother's wedding and haven't developed yet has been x-rayed. Crap. If it's toast I'll try developing it myself just to see what happened, but if there's hope for it I'll take it to the lab with the rest of the wedding 35mm rolls I haven't developed yet.
 
Brett,

I always ask for a hand check with my film, and I have never had a problem. Most of the time I travel with 100 and 400 asa film, so I am being conservative. Having the film in an easy-to-open pouch or bag makes the job easy for the security people. Asking politely and being prepared in advance go a long way.

I have had security people tell me that my film was ok as long as it was under 1600, but I said I had 400 film fogged in the past and didn't want to risk it. That little white lie works every time.

Robert
 
MelanieC said:
if there's hope for it I'll take it to the lab with the rest of the wedding 35mm rolls I haven't developed yet.
It's probably OK. It all depends of how zealous the x-ray operator was the day you went through. If there wasn't anything overly suspicious in your bag, they likely didn't jack up the power. Some don't raise the power and just signal another flunkie to take a peek in the bag.

Peter
 
I fly semi-freqently and I'm in the habit of putting all film in a clear ziplock bag, all rolls out of the canisters, even new unexposed ones, and asking for a hand inspection. Every once in a while they will insist that 400 and below can go thru the x-ray, so I always have at least one 800 or 1600 in there. I've found that if it's easy and convenient to inspect, they will do it cheerfully. Sometimes they will take the bag over to the explosive detection machine and swab it and test it, but not always. I can't remember ever having a request for hand inspection flat-out refused.

I did have one smart@$$ wannabe comedian in Las Vegas return the bag to me with "uh, I'm gonna have to send this in to the FBI" or something but it was obvious he was kidding.
 
there is an FAA regulation that says that all US airports must grant hand-inspections of film to any passengers requesting it.. whether they'll do it cheerfully or not is another question.. but here's the regulation, in case anyone wants to print it out and keep it with the film
 

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Ugh, hand inspection is annoying, but I did. In Newark International Airport, they swabbed my bag, cameras and film canisters. In Aruba I had to go through Aruba's Inspection in which they took everything out of my camera back, and opened all the canisters, and mixed up my exposed and non-exposed film. Then, becasue the US government doesn't trust foreign inspection, I had to go through it again 1000 feet away by US officials. Oh well, resorting everything killed some time on the plane.
 
Brett,

I am a frequent flier and a frequent carry a camera/film. I've never had a problem with my film after being xray'd, even after 4 or 6 times. But mostly I shoot 200 ASA or below.

DMR's comments are pretty much right-on from my experience.

A couple of points: if you read the FAA material (versus that which may have been interpreted) I believe the FAA offers passengers an opportunity to request hand inspection of film -- not a guarantee. Most of the TSA are good people and will do so without a growl; every once in a while, however, you'll run into a TSA agent who just ate a bad burrito.

The Xray machine folks don't really "crank up the power." They have software tools to fiddle with the imagery. They may, however, nuke it again... but at the same "power". Lead bags are a joke. If TSA can't "see" through something with Xray, they will remove it and check it out. Generally they will either say "OK", as in the situation of batteries or subject the item to further scrutiny. Film in lead bags might be delt wiht by removing the film from it's protective nest and Xraying it naked, or further scrutinized by doing trace-analysis (the swipe). The latter is preferable, but it's their choice.

The only bad experience I've had didn't involve film at all. TSA opted to do trace analysis on my camera body and they got a "hit". They were polite and everything, but they took my ID and ticket, made me wait while they checked me out, then checked each individual item in my camera bag until they were satisfied that it was just a false alarm.

Don't sweat it... put your film in a clear baggie and ask politely.
 
thanks for the advice, everyone.. I'm always very polite to people who carry handcuffs.. or can call other people who do.. so I won't be raising any fuss.. I'm just looking for the easiest method.. which seems to be using common sense more than anything
 
Ive always asked for hand inspection, i just keep the film in a large bag and hand it over, they know the drill, if the film is still in the box, they usually dont even swipe it, so i would say dont open it at all and it would probably be less of a hassel
 
I was a road warrior for seven years, quitting to get a day job only two years ago. I have flown 150,000 miles a year for that long, both before and after 9-11, so I might be able to offer some advice based on experience.

First - no lead bag. The TSA doesn't like them and asks you not to use them. They just tick them off in carry-on luggage, and checked luggage will zap film dead right through them (NEVER put unexposed/unprocessed film in checked luggage). I don't know why they are even still sold - they have no purpose inside the USA. Here's the FAQ, directly from the TSA:

http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1248.xml

http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1035.xml

Second - the TSA cannot 'crank up the power' on the x-ray machines. They're not adjustable like that and they don't work that way anyway. What they WILL do if they can't 'see' through your lead-lined bag is what they do with ANYTHING they can't see through - they either hand-inspect it or run it through again and again and again until they twig to the fact that they can't see through it. If you were really rushed and basically lazy, which would you do? Right - five or six scans until they get wise and open the bag anyway.

Third - as was mentioned in this thread, a good idea is to request hand inspection. Yes, there is a *law* that says they *have* to inspect film and film equipment upon request. I had it printed and laminated - it was confiscated and I was laughed at by the TSA. Forget it. Yes, it is the law. No, they will not obey it if they don't want to. Who are you going to call to *force* them to honor the law? I learned that lesson the hard way, with a TSA anal probe.

They will mostly honor your request - but it is entirely up to them. "Bad burrito" is a good way to describe some of these yahoos. Just smile and be polite and try to avoid saying pog mahon and you should be ok. Here's a tip - carry a single roll of sacrificial high-speed film with you. Keep them ALL in a single clear ziplock bag (as was mentioned in this thread). They like that, it makes them very happy. When they ask you if you have high-speed film, you can honestly say yes.

Fourth - The TSA is dead wrong when they say that x-rays don't damage film. Any high-energy particle that passes through film damages it. Simple physics. The question is NOT if it damages film, but HOW MUCH. The TSA says that most film can withstand up to five passes through USA x-ray machines at carry-on inspection stations. I've not had any film damaged to the point where I could notice it, ever. However, it is technically incorrect to say it was not damaged.

And although I know you did not ask, it invariably comes up - no, TSA x-rays cannot damage your digital camera or your digital media. Even in checked luggage. However, if you put it in your checked luggage, it will not be 'damaged', it will be most likely stolen.

Bottom line - carry any and all unexposed/undeveloped film onboard with you. Do not check it, ever. Open the boxes and put it in clear film cannisters if you have any. If not, put the empty cannisters in your checked luggage and put the film itself in a clear plastic baggie. Have that ready at inspection - no fumbling or bumbling about. Explain that you have 'high speed film' in the bag and request a hand inspection, using your best smile and ingratiating butt kiss. If they deny you, shrug it off - the x-ray will not hurt the film to the extent that you'll be able to tell - at least in my experience. Keep expensive camera equipment in your carryon and keep it with you.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Honus said:
I have had security people tell me that my film was ok as long as it was under 1600, but I said I had 400 film fogged in the past and didn't want to risk it. That little white lie works every time.

Just a note, Tokyo Narita airport scans film 1600 and under. Even when you're connecting to another int'l flight there, you have to pass the scanners again.Before I came out here, I went through checks at Little Rock, Oklahoma City and JFK, and it was easy and pleasant getting hand checks all the way. I keep it all in a ziploc bag with some 3200, too, to help get the hand checks, but that failed in Narita. All my film was fine, though.
 
I believe there are different power settings on the airport x-ray machines. The low setting is the one generally used and will spot nasty weapons like nail clippers. The high setting focuses the beam more tightly. I saw this in action at the Halifax, N.S., airport where they used it to "see" inside my Zorki 3M.
Hence my advice to remove film from cameras going through the machine.

Peter
 
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