Film Chemistry & Septic Systems

tajart

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Just moved, new town, new house, and the house is on a septic system.
Anyone have experience of knowledge of photo chemistry and septic systems?
At minimum I'd like to develop my own b&w film at home.
Thanks in advance of course.
 
Most B+W chemicals are fine for disposal in septic systems, fixers are likely to be the only problematic part of the equation. As long as you're not doing industrial levels of processing you should be fine, but you could store your old fixer for seperate disposal elsewhere to be on the safe side.
 
I store my used chemicals and bring them to a site which handles toxic waste. Our waste disposal system allows for handling developer and fixer in small amounts but they don't collect it.

The reason is easy, I don't want this stuff to show up in my drinking water.
 
Thanks for the info. I thought it would probably be okay as a home user, definitely not industrial.
The house has city water so I don't have to worry about contaminating a well. But still, I feel a responsibility to be as green as possible. TomJ
 
tajart said:
Thanks for the info. I thought it would probably be okay as a home user, definitely not industrial.
The house has city water so I don't have to worry about contaminating a well. But still, I feel a responsibility to be as green as possible. TomJ

In small, personal use quantities, probably not a big deal environmental-wise.

However, I would make a point of adding a box of Rid-X (or similar bacteria-based septic tank "charger") to you system once a month or so to keep the tank "cooking". 😉
 
http://www.agnr.umd.edu/users/wye/personel/Miller/septic.html

Use normal amounts of detergents, bleaches, drain cleaners, household cleaners and other products. Avoid dumping solvents like dry cleaning fluid, pesticides, photographic chemicals, paint thinner, or auto products down the drain.

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/faqs/faq5026.shtml

How do I dispose of photographic processing effluents?
Most photographic processing effluents and washwaters contain chemicals which are biodegradable. They are, therefore, compatible with aerobic (with oxygen) biological treatment systems and are effectively treated when discharged to municipal sewer systems such as Publicly Owned Treatment Works (POTWs). Septic systems operate with anaerobic (without oxygen) biological treatment. Therefore, septic systems do not have the ability to properly treat photographic processing effluents.
Septic Systems

If you are discharging to a septic system, Kodak recommends you manage your photographic processing effluents off-site. For additional information, refer to Information on Septic System Disposal.

http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=4218&pq-locale=en_US

Kodak does not recommend the use of septic systems for disposal of photographic processing chemicals because the disposal of photographic processing solutions may affect the proper operations of the septic system. Septic tank systems are used for the disposal of domestic waste, primarily in areas where municipal sewers are unavailable. Therefore, they are engineered for that stated purpose, and operate with anaerobic (in the absence of oxygen) biological action to accomplish the treatment of discharged wastes.
Discharge from septic tank systems may adversely affect sources of underground drinking water. Regulations have been established by the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and many states to minimize that potential. Your U.S. EPA Regional or State Administrator of the Underground Injection Control (UIC) Program and/or local health department should be contacted to determine whether the discharge of photoprocessing effluents into your septic system is allowable. Due to increased enforcement on disposal to Class V injection wells which include septic tanks, thorough inquiry on the regional, state or local compliance requirements is advised.
Other disposal options for your photoprocessing waste include household hazardous waste collection facilities in your area, discharge to a nearby municipal wastewater treatment plant, or a licensed chemical hauler. Household hazardous waste collection facilities are options only if you generate less than 100 kilograms (220 pounds) of hazardous waste per calendar month.
Customers who use KODAK photographic chemicals can also arrange to have their wastes properly treated and disposed of by using the KODAK RELAY Program.

Google for "toxic waste disposal" and your location. Most counties have a location where you can drop off used photographic chemicals, as others have mentioned in this thread.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
copake_ham said:
In small, personal use quantities, probably not a big deal environmental-wise.

However, I would make a point of adding a box of Rid-X (or similar bacteria-based septic tank "charger") to you system once a month or so to keep the tank "cooking". 😉


Septic tank additives are a waste of time and money. Studies show there is no benefit to their use and they can be detrimental.

Simply stated "Do not put anything into your septic system that you don't want ending up in the ground water." It does not matter if you don't have a well on site, somewhere down gradient some will be using the groundwater. Also, the bacteria in the septic tank can react adversely to the chemicals and the function of the tank can be impaired.

Also check to see if discharging the chemicals are prohibited. Many ordinances and regulations specifically prohibit household hazardous waste, and photo chemicals are considered household hazardous waste.

Now for my background:

I am the technical person for the septic program for the New Mexico Environment Dept. I just finished rewriting the regulations dealing with septic systems for the State of New Mexico. I am also a former wastewater treatment plant operator.

Good luck but be careful.

Brian
 
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This is one of the great things about this site- a wealth of information sharing. Again, thank you for the responses, and I will be checking with the licensed individual who designed and installed this system which was just signed off by the county in Nov. '05, as well as the county regulations and recommendations. In addition to my desire to be environmentally responsible, I don't want to compromise the system I have to live with, nor my neighbors, immediate and beyond.
Again, thank you.
 
r-brian said:
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Now for my background:

I am the technical person for the septic program for the New Mexico Environment Dept. I just finished rewriting the regulations dealing with septic systems for the State of New Mexico. I am also a former wastewater treatment plant operator.

Good luck but be careful.

Brian

Brian,

So, in other words, if someone says you are full of sh*t about all this - it is a compliment! 😀

Thanks for the info!
 
copake_ham said:
Brian,

So, in other words, if someone says you are full of sh*t about all this - it is a compliment! 😀

Thanks for the info!


George

In my line of work, all I do is take sh*t from people all day. But then again, it's a sh*tty job but someone has to do it. It may smell bad to you but it smells like money to me.

Brian
 
r-brian said:
George

In my line of work, all I do is take sh*t from people all day. But then again, it's a sh*tty job but someone has to do it. It may smell bad to you but it smells like money to me.

Brian
Pecunia non olet
 
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