burninfilm
Well-known
Have there been any other photography related Kickstarter campaigns with more delays??? I'm not talking about completely failed Kickstarters... I mean ones where the company is supposedly still trying to fulfill their promises to their backers... even years later.
Their Kickstarter campaign ended successfully in late 2014, and at the end of February 2019, there is still no color reversal film coming out of their little factory in Italy. They DID put out a small batch of P30 "alpha" B&W in 2017, which sold out quickly and has been unavailable for a substantial amount of time.
Their last update was December 28th of 2019, which makes this 2 months of silence and wondering what continuous production of P30 "by early 2019" actually means. So out of curiosity, does anyone know of another Kickstarter with a longer history? Think Film Ferrania will actually produce some color reversal film someday?
Their Kickstarter campaign ended successfully in late 2014, and at the end of February 2019, there is still no color reversal film coming out of their little factory in Italy. They DID put out a small batch of P30 "alpha" B&W in 2017, which sold out quickly and has been unavailable for a substantial amount of time.
Their last update was December 28th of 2019, which makes this 2 months of silence and wondering what continuous production of P30 "by early 2019" actually means. So out of curiosity, does anyone know of another Kickstarter with a longer history? Think Film Ferrania will actually produce some color reversal film someday?
Pioneer
Veteran
I would have to guess that it has been equally frustrating for them.
I wrote this one off when I received the offer a while back to exchange my reversal film reward for the black and white film. I have plenty of black and white film options so I didn't take them up on that offer but I kind of sensed at that point that color reversal film was a dead issue.
Too bad since it would have been nice. At least we have Ektachrome.
I wrote this one off when I received the offer a while back to exchange my reversal film reward for the black and white film. I have plenty of black and white film options so I didn't take them up on that offer but I kind of sensed at that point that color reversal film was a dead issue.
Too bad since it would have been nice. At least we have Ektachrome.
Mackinaw
Think Different
I was in on the original Kickstarter campaign so many years back. Now, after having tried P30, I’m more interested in that, than any E6 product they may bring out.
After years of broken promises, I still support the company and understand their current news blackout. By constantly setting deadlines they never meet, all they do is make for bad feelings. To me, they should only “go public” again once they have a final product to ship.
I’m patient and can wait. I’m sure others will feel differently.
Jim B.
After years of broken promises, I still support the company and understand their current news blackout. By constantly setting deadlines they never meet, all they do is make for bad feelings. To me, they should only “go public” again once they have a final product to ship.
I’m patient and can wait. I’m sure others will feel differently.
Jim B.
Moto-Uno
Moto-Uno
I too was an original backer and after seeing the almost insurmountable hurdles they've come up against , I'm most impressed they're still at it ! I for one definitely want the E-6 product in 120 format . If they needed more crowd funding I'd sign up in a heartbeat . Peter
PeterCorran
Well-known
Was/am a backer. Good things come to those who wait. They have been fairly transparent and communicative, unlike some. A delayed product is better than none, so I continue to wait patiently.
michaelwj
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Most delayed and probably most ambitious. I believe they’ve been working hard on, and making progress on,what appeared to be an insurmountable project. I was an original backer, but have since stopped shooting film anyway (but a few rolls of Faraniacolor might change that). I still wish them all the best, especially with Fujifilm exiting the film business.
leicapixie
Well-known
I have a friend based in Florence, shooting the Middle East, using Ferrania p30.
It seems available in Italy, in cities of Florence,Milan and one or two others..,
He loves the film's retro look., sharpness and tonal scale.
Only shortcoming is availability and it is S L O W in ISO speed.
It seems available in Italy, in cities of Florence,Milan and one or two others..,
He loves the film's retro look., sharpness and tonal scale.
Only shortcoming is availability and it is S L O W in ISO speed.
burninfilm
Well-known
Hmmm... yes, it was very ambitious. Still, it's very obvious now that they either vastly under-estimated (and I mean a MASSIVE amount of under-estimating) what it would take to get things up and running, or simply over-represented their abilities by a huge amount. Their original pitch was for 4 different formats of color reversal film by April 2015, and nearly 4 years later, they haven't even made a market-ready batch of quality 35mm (the only format they are focused on right now) black & white negative film.
There are lots of things that can be picked apart about what they've been doing the last 5 years, but... up to December of 2018 they still seemed like they were trying!
Since then, it's not like this is the 1st time they've gone silent for extended lengths of time... they've done this before... only to come back with more reasons why things got delayed. Maybe this time it will be different???
There are lots of things that can be picked apart about what they've been doing the last 5 years, but... up to December of 2018 they still seemed like they were trying!
Since then, it's not like this is the 1st time they've gone silent for extended lengths of time... they've done this before... only to come back with more reasons why things got delayed. Maybe this time it will be different???
CMur12
Veteran
I would consider communication in December 2018 to be current.
No communication in two months is not my idea of an extended length of time. There is still room for an announcement of production in "early 2019."
I wasn't a part of the Kickstarter campaign, but I'm still hopeful that they will eventually come out with E6 products. The good news, in my mind, is that they haven't given up.
- Murray
No communication in two months is not my idea of an extended length of time. There is still room for an announcement of production in "early 2019."
I wasn't a part of the Kickstarter campaign, but I'm still hopeful that they will eventually come out with E6 products. The good news, in my mind, is that they haven't given up.
- Murray
Mr_Flibble
In Tabulas Argenteas Refero
2013 - The Robotech RPG Tactics game was successfully funded (for 1.4 million dollars!) .....pretty much turned into a **** show from that point.
For months, years even, Palladium books kept saying "Everything's fine, you'll get all your stuff"
Until March 2018, Harmony Gold got fed up and pulled Palladium Books' license.
Palladium says "All the money is gone, Sorry, can't offer refunds"
These *******s still owe me and some 5500 people a LOT of money but the BBB and the AG doen't seem to want to do much about it.
Ferrania owes me 2 rolls of their slide film. In the last update they said they will be offering a way to exchange the KS rewards for some P30 film, which I'll probably take them up on.
I'm glad to have helped them get started.
Mr_Flibble
In Tabulas Argenteas Refero
****, I can't say *******s?
Archlich
Well-known
Ferrania is no big deal! Star Citizen, the largest piece of Kickstarter vaporware (over $200 million raised since its launch in 2012) ever, is still in development.
michaelwj
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Freakscene
Obscure member
The complete lack of anything approaching a normal density curve from P30 is a real problem if you are wet printing. If you scan you can push it around more.
Marty
Mr_Flibble
In Tabulas Argenteas Refero
Chris Roberts was behind so many fantastic Space Sims back in the day; Wing Commander, Privateer, Freelancer.
**** ******* *****
DanskDynamit
Well-known
they failed already.
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Could not agree more. Like many of these new films, the Silberra Ortho, the Washi, P30 is not a film for traditional printing.
I backed Ferrania, but couldn’t use the B&W despite trying very hard. And all these years later I’m not shooting much film anymore at all.
Ted Striker
Well-known
I've given up on Ferrania. I can't believe how many years it has been since I backed this company. During all the years that have passed I have given up on shooting E6 film so I dont care if I get my film or not. I lost my lab and have no interest in finding a new one or sending it out. Ferrania has a near endless supply of excuses and I stopped listening to them years ago.
jawarden
Well-known
Yeah it turns out soup to nuts industrialization of film production in a derelict factory takes much longer than Kickstarters for 3D printed hockey pucks.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
People were very dedicated in this f campaign. But for any one who is familiar with project management and manufacturing it was obvious what it is nothing but SNAFU.
Compare it to Adox, for example. Those are professionals. F campaign is bunch of total amateurs. Thier capability celling is something like single use camera repackaging.
Compare it to Adox, for example. Those are professionals. F campaign is bunch of total amateurs. Thier capability celling is something like single use camera repackaging.