kiev4a
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Thomaspin said:
Books full of pretty pictures designed to lay on coffee tables are dead too, Thom. In fact, vinyl records probably generate more interest.
Film is dead
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Books full of pretty pictures designed to lay on coffee tables are dead too, Thom. In fact, vinyl records probably generate more interest.
DougK
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If the photo is good, I don't care if it's recorded on film or silicon.
jan normandale
Film is the other way
Hi
just read Thomaspin's blog. Very interesting stuff. Highly opinionated but that okay, a lot of us are. Stimulation isn't a bad thing. Still I think he has got a rise out of the RFF film crowd. Fast out of the blocks we charge.
here is a link to an article of his regarding Leica cameras. It is worth a read by all who have contributed to this thread.
cheers, Jan
http://pindelski.blogspot.com/2005/06/on-leica-cameras.html
just read Thomaspin's blog. Very interesting stuff. Highly opinionated but that okay, a lot of us are. Stimulation isn't a bad thing. Still I think he has got a rise out of the RFF film crowd. Fast out of the blocks we charge.
here is a link to an article of his regarding Leica cameras. It is worth a read by all who have contributed to this thread.
cheers, Jan
http://pindelski.blogspot.com/2005/06/on-leica-cameras.html
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Socke
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Pherdinand said:
Oh yeah, I still have and use the Sony portable Color TV I once had on my Apple ][ clone. The Apple is long gone 🙂
Andy K
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Scenario:
The year is 2105, a kid is playing in a derelict building and finds two boxes. One is full of old pictures of a time long past, the other is full of shiny disks labelled 'photos'.
He sits for ages looking through the pictures, he takes them home to show his parents, they are all fascinated by the long gone scenes, fashions, technology and lifestyle depicted. He then shows them the box of shiny disks labelled 'photos', and his father says 'Throw them away son, we'd have to find and buy an antique machine to see those.'
Real negatives and photos are always going to be superior to digital, because you only need your eyes and a light source to see them.
The year is 2105, a kid is playing in a derelict building and finds two boxes. One is full of old pictures of a time long past, the other is full of shiny disks labelled 'photos'.
He sits for ages looking through the pictures, he takes them home to show his parents, they are all fascinated by the long gone scenes, fashions, technology and lifestyle depicted. He then shows them the box of shiny disks labelled 'photos', and his father says 'Throw them away son, we'd have to find and buy an antique machine to see those.'
Real negatives and photos are always going to be superior to digital, because you only need your eyes and a light source to see them.
pvdhaar
Peter
Oh no, not another film is dead thread! RFF is starting to look like photonet.
I guess I'll just sit back and watch the #postings counter on the thread spin..
I guess I'll just sit back and watch the #postings counter on the thread spin..
Bertram2
Gone elsewhere
Allen Gilman said:
Allen,
Strong but nice words, I agree completely. 😀
What is worst is that some are obviously not at all really intersted to discuss the issue itself but abuse it , maybe they feel bored and try to amuse themselves by throwing some fireworks into the chicken-coop , or they use it as a vehicle to attract attention from any other reason.
That's a real destructive abuse of such a forum and I decided that this was the last time I posted an answer to this kind of poisened pseudo statements. If there is anything dead for me now then it is this X" vs Y" crap or the ridiculous forecasts of the future of photography , which are so often posted by folks who don't know a..e from elbow, neither technically nor economically.
Best regards to Tokyo,
Bertram
Thomaspin
Member
Satire is, indeed, a subtle thing.
GeneW
Veteran
Thom, it is, on the whole, a well written piece, but if it's intended as satire, it's a little ambiguous. I read it wondering whether it was satire or straight. I would suggest a slight revision with a minor tweak or two in the writing to make its purpose a little clearer.Thomaspin said:
Gene
exaktamoment
Member
Satire hasn't died so much as the atmoshpere necessary to properly appreciate it has.
And its murderers are many.
The London bombers have killed it. The Iraqi insurgents have killed it. The Talibani have killed it. The Christian Right has killed it. President Bush has killed it. And men who kidnap little kids, and men who murder their wives and unborn babies, and kids that go to school to shoot their teachers and classmates, and Columbian drug cartels, and over-zealous police and prosecutors, and corrupt politicians and the sensationalist media in this and other countries have all had a hand in killing it.
Rest in peace - for there is no peace for the rest of us.
And its murderers are many.
The London bombers have killed it. The Iraqi insurgents have killed it. The Talibani have killed it. The Christian Right has killed it. President Bush has killed it. And men who kidnap little kids, and men who murder their wives and unborn babies, and kids that go to school to shoot their teachers and classmates, and Columbian drug cartels, and over-zealous police and prosecutors, and corrupt politicians and the sensationalist media in this and other countries have all had a hand in killing it.
Rest in peace - for there is no peace for the rest of us.
W
wlewisiii
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Thom,
I wasn't going to post here, but I'll agree with Gene. While I read it with the presumption that you were being satirical, it is not especially clear that you are. There are a number of pieces in your blog that have a similar difficulty. While they are quite well written overall, sometimes your intent is not terribly obvious. You might simply considered making the comments about being as "dead as vinal" a bit more detailed and explicit.
As has been mentioned, as long as any market exists, there will be some folks making money providing for it. Even if Kodak stops film production tomorrow, thier patents only have a limited life and soon enough someone, somewhere, will be producing Tri-X and Plus-X in everything but name because there will be just enough demand to make it profitable. And has also been said, worst case scenario, it's not that difficult to homebrew wet plates and albumen papers. And with modern glass, you'll even get some great results from them.
So take a moment or four and revise the page just a bit. That will get your point out there better without all of the piss and vinigar.
IMHO, and all of that.
William
I wasn't going to post here, but I'll agree with Gene. While I read it with the presumption that you were being satirical, it is not especially clear that you are. There are a number of pieces in your blog that have a similar difficulty. While they are quite well written overall, sometimes your intent is not terribly obvious. You might simply considered making the comments about being as "dead as vinal" a bit more detailed and explicit.
As has been mentioned, as long as any market exists, there will be some folks making money providing for it. Even if Kodak stops film production tomorrow, thier patents only have a limited life and soon enough someone, somewhere, will be producing Tri-X and Plus-X in everything but name because there will be just enough demand to make it profitable. And has also been said, worst case scenario, it's not that difficult to homebrew wet plates and albumen papers. And with modern glass, you'll even get some great results from them.
So take a moment or four and revise the page just a bit. That will get your point out there better without all of the piss and vinigar.
IMHO, and all of that.
William
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Kin Lau
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Thomaspin said:
And I love the instant "knee-jerk" reactions here, all the people spewing out the same old tired arguments.
exaktamoment
Member
Of course, Kin Lau, it would be soooo much nicer if
no one
said anything.
Lou
no one
said anything.
Lou
Bertram2
Gone elsewhere
Thomaspin said:
I expected this to come, the built-in backdoor of this text . And now all who did not recognize the satiric character of this treatise are simply too stupid for your ambitious style of writing ? Sorry, I don't buy that.
solane
Established
taffer said:
i think you meant:
le film est mort... vive le film!
kiev4a
Well-known
A well-written satirical piece leaves no doubt in the reader's mind that it is satire. If you have to explain to the readers after the fact that it is satire, you've done a poor job of writing. I think the title should have been "buy my book."
jan normandale
Film is the other way
jan normandale said:
this is a bit weird quoting myself, but here goes.
Read the piece on Leica cameras by Thomaspin it is a very eloquent piece which I genuinely believe could have been put into the essay competition held a while back.
cheers, Jan
zpuskas
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And the point is.....?
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Socke
Guest
Bertram2, what is there to discuss? As a lot of others I use both and I'm mostly more than less happy with both.
And the observation that the unwashed masses want digital P&Ss is true.
And the observation that the unwashed masses want digital P&Ss is true.
RObert Budding
D'oh!
I like the Leica essay, even though I, myself, use a Contax IIIa!
Robert
Robert
