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Socke
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Bertram2 said:
Ok, here is proof!
Although, this is a digital picture and we all know how easily those are manipulated :angel:
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Ok, here is proof!
Although, this is a digital picture and we all know how easily those are manipulated :angel:
Andy K
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Bertram2 said:
Schreckliches ja? 😛
T_om
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Socke said:
Your lovely friend would probably appreciate getting rid of the hot spots on her face, adjusting the exposure and and doing a bit of work on the teeth.
Standard Digital Darkroom stuff (and no, I don't care whose head spins like the kid in 'Poltergeist' when I use the term 'Digital Darkroom')
Something like this:
Andy K
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T_om said:
If you want to pretend you work in a darkroom that's up to you.
Byuphoto
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actually it is a Canon A-1 with Fuji s160 and neat imageRJBender said:
T_om
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Andy K said:
You see, I don't have to pretend. I worked my way through school managing the lab at Auburn University in the mid-60's. Judging from some of your posts, it was probably before you were born.
I also lugged around a POS Burke & James 5x7 view camera and did architectural work on the side. All of which I laboriously processed myself.
I ABSOLUTELY do not miss the wet darkroom at all. You are welcome to it and may it prosper you.
Tom
PS: If St. Ansel were alive today, he would embrace digital as if it were sent from heaven especially for him. I have personally seen some of his printing instructions and they went on for NINE handwritten pages, with his own comments interspersed on what a bitch the negative was to print! All the corrections he included in those pages are child's play today.
Byuphoto
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wow Bertram2 sure is good looking ;-)
Andy K
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T_om said:
Did you drive to your digital darkrom in your digital car on a digital road? Maybe stop for a digital burger on the way? As I have said previously in this thread, if you work using a computer, say so. Don't try to pretend you worked in a darkroom, you didn't, and to pretend otherwise is deliberately deceptive.
Btw, I was born in the early 60s.
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Kin Lau
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T_om said:
My first reaction to reading "The Print" was "HOLY COW!" I've gone over "The Negative" and "The Print" a few times, and there are places where I can't even begin to wrap my head around the level that he's working at. The craftsmanship that goes into his darkroom work is amazing.
fgianni
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Kin Lau said:
It is honest, it takes 2-3 hours to set up the first time, and literally 2 minutes of your time every time you add new photos to sync the HDs.
The worst part is the good 30 mins every 2 months to make the DVD based Backup. But if you decide to rely on data recovery companies in case of a fire, you can probably skip this one.
It is more difficult to describe than to actually do it.
Trius
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T_om: I remember Ansel talking about the day when digital would be an effective tool for printing, and for capture. There is no doubt digital methods have their place, and that place will increase due to improvements in the equipment, materials and methods. You are quite right he would be embracing it, but I'd be willing to bet serious money he would still be using analog methods as well. It is not a case of either/or. It is a case of both, choices, and producing good work regardless of one's preference.
I think we can all agree on that.
Earl
I think we can all agree on that.
Earl
Bertram2
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Socke said:
We all know that, yes, thanks anyway, this will help ! 😀
As a Digital Darkroom user, for analog fundamentalists you are always suspicious of manipulation, in principle so to say. You cannot do nothing bur who cares ? Congrats btw, you are a lucky man!!! 🙂
bertram
Still guessing where these pnet-styled offenses came from, can sniffing fixer and eating photo paper daily really have such a devasting impact on a persons social competence ? 😛 Or is it simply lack of education ? It must be both. Phew, eery...
Bertram2
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Hi to all,
Uwe Flammer at the CVUG list has pointed out on this story today:
http://www.davebeckerman.com/general/Darkroom-Digital.html
He confirms my expectations and fears and I am glad that i did not the same trip by switching over completely and going back again but stayed where I was and where he has landed now: -> At the hybride workflow without my own color printing.
Maybe I will add a B&W darkroom too, it's really so much easier than all the lessons on PS.
And as long as there are no essential and revolutionary innovations on the digital side it shall all stay as it is. I'd consider this beeing the most adaequate effort for my amateur work.
Regards,
bertram
Uwe Flammer at the CVUG list has pointed out on this story today:
http://www.davebeckerman.com/general/Darkroom-Digital.html
He confirms my expectations and fears and I am glad that i did not the same trip by switching over completely and going back again but stayed where I was and where he has landed now: -> At the hybride workflow without my own color printing.
Maybe I will add a B&W darkroom too, it's really so much easier than all the lessons on PS.
And as long as there are no essential and revolutionary innovations on the digital side it shall all stay as it is. I'd consider this beeing the most adaequate effort for my amateur work.
Regards,
bertram
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Kin Lau
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fgianni said:
I use to backup to a CDR as I went along.... then we got a 2nd Dreb, and started shooting 2 gigs a day when the bird migrations were good. Now I have a DVD-R, and backup when I get 1 DVD's worth. 6 min's to burn 4.7 gig's at less than $1/DVD-R, pretty hard to beat that.
Backing up to 2 HD's isn't hard. Even easier if you're going to do software RAID. It's the database and indexing that takes time... and I'm lazy 🙂
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ch1
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Kin Lau said:
The 'tech' is easy - question becomes - what is your work through put?
The ease and challenge of digital are a juxtaposition.
You need to decide when NOT to shoot - because elsewise the work flow through put becomes clogged and unmanageable.
bruenhilde
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Socke said:
Hey!, HP-UX sucks, Solaris on Sparc rulez ! 😛 😛 😛 :angel:
pstevenin
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Pffff what a fight on this thread. For a bad amateur photograph like me, I shoot both and when neg's arise, I scan them (and do weekly backup on separate HD) and do some gross retouching (tone, sharpening, speck removal & cropping) . I grab then the jpg files (issued from digital or scanned) to my lab (using their ICC profile) and have prints on a calibrated fuji frontier.
It is cost effective and the results is quite predictable, and I am happy with it! I do like my M because of no battery issue (always the tiny one as a back up with me), fast lenses, and fast films, good exposure and a precise focussing tool and as said before the fact of slowing down process. Globally the 'photo I am happy with' ratio is far more important with the M gear. (But i still have very nice shots taken with the digital gear, especially the ones with my wife)... but oops this is too personal and I am not a pro...& blablabla
It is cost effective and the results is quite predictable, and I am happy with it! I do like my M because of no battery issue (always the tiny one as a back up with me), fast lenses, and fast films, good exposure and a precise focussing tool and as said before the fact of slowing down process. Globally the 'photo I am happy with' ratio is far more important with the M gear. (But i still have very nice shots taken with the digital gear, especially the ones with my wife)... but oops this is too personal and I am not a pro...& blablabla
fgianni
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Socke said:
Nice pic of you two Socke, did not know Betram was so cute 😛 😛 😛 :angel:
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Ukko Heikkinen
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Andy K said:
Having become curious, I did yesterday - soaked a carbon pigment print on rag paper in warm water for half an hour, dried it and flattened it. It is intact.
Ukko Heikkinen 😀
bnjlosh
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is it just me or can you get a greater depth of field with film? seems like unless you have a very expensive dslr with a large sensor, dof doesn't compare with a 35mm...just seems to me
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