Finally, X100

[Paul T.]

That image is shot at ISO400, but with -1.3EV and a shutter speed of 1/30. So in other words that is also an ISO 200 photo.

Surely not. It's shot with a higher sensitivity, but with less light shot onto it (which might further affect s/n). I don't think your statement works.

To use a film analogy, if I use faster film, but underexpose, it's still fast film. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[videogamemaker]

Surely not. It's shot with a higher sensitivity, but with less light shot onto it (which might further affect s/n). I don't think your statement works.

To use a film analogy, if I use faster film, but underexpose, it's still fast film. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're not wrong. The exposure compensation affects what the camera puts the settings at, but the ISO is at what it recorded it in the Exif as. Without the exif at -1.3, depending which settings were in auto, it would have been at 1/10 a second, or it could have boosted up to iso 800 to keep the shutter and aperture settings, if it was in auto iso.

Some people are awfully opinionated for not knowing the basics of digital photography.

 

[videogamemaker]

Yes. Most @200 iso, and only one @400 Iso :-(

There still must be something to tweak on high iso. I am 100% sure that I have seen few hours ago on this picture gallery a picture of a street at night in sepia colors, and from what I have seen on my Iphone, shadows were very / completly dark... this picture has disappeared now !!!

On the picture samples in the gallery mentionned above (http://www.finepix-x100.com/en/gallery/images) several samples with snow seem to show also a lack of exposure latitude (... althought it could be a wrong exposure ... ).

All of the snow images I have opened in photoshop, I can bring down the snow and there is enough detail and levels there for some nice contrast and no blown highlights. Impressive for a jpeg. I'm sure the raw has even smoother tones.

 

[GSNfan]

Surely not. It's shot with a higher sensitivity, but with less light shot onto it (which might further affect s/n). I don't think your statement works.

To use a film analogy, if I use faster film, but underexpose, it's still fast film. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The EXIF says this shot was done in aperture priority.

When -1.3EV is dialed in, the camera compensates by either increasing the shutter speed, the f stop or decreasing the ISO sensitivity.

in this case the f stop is fixed because it was shot in aperture priority, shutter speed is at maximum hand holdable of 1/30 so to compensate for that -1.3EV the camera's firmware lowered the ISO sensitivity of the sensor... He could have done the same shot at ISO 400 but with a shutter speed of 1/60.


Film is analogue process, we're talking about a computer here, for a lack of better word.

 

[videogamemaker]

When -1.3EV is dialed in, the camera compensates by either increasing the shutter speed, the f stop or decreasing the ISO sensitivity.

Yes. *before* the camera took the photo. Once it takes the photo *then* it records what ISO it was taken at in the exif.

If the exif says 400, it was shot at 400. Any other explanation is incorrect.

 

[videogamemaker]

Yes. Most @200 iso, and only one @400 Iso :-(

There still must be something to tweak on high iso. I am 100% sure that I have seen few hours ago on this picture gallery a picture of a street at night in sepia colors, and from what I have seen on my Iphone, shadows were very / completly dark... this picture has disappeared now !!!

On the picture samples in the gallery mentionned above (http://www.finepix-x100.com/en/gallery/images) several samples with snow seem to show also a lack of exposure latitude (... althought it could be a wrong exposure ... ).

Here is an example I whipped up. The only image with clipped snow that I could see is this one (the very bottom has a very small row of pure white clipped pixels, but the top of the snow has detail) and it looks like not only should the exposure been recorded darker, but there is no way of knowing yet if the raw file would have had the actual info in it.

Impressive if you ask me, especially the sky and the tree shadows along the path.

 

[ochong]

In any digital camera I've used, assuming that it's not in Auto ISO mode, the following occurs:
Av = Aperture fixed, ISO fixed, shutter speed variable. Exposure compensation shifts the shutter speed up or down.

Tv = Shutter speed fixed, ISO fixed, aperture variable. Exposure compensation shifts the aperture.

 

[Paul T.]

The EXIF says this shot was done in aperture priority.

When -1.3EV is dialed in, the camera compensates by either increasing the shutter speed, the f stop or decreasing the ISO sensitivity.

in this case the f stop is fixed because it was shot in aperture priority, shutter speed is at maximum hand holdable of 1/30 so to compensate for that -1.3EV the camera's firmware lowered the ISO sensitivity of the sensor... .

DOn't follow the logic.

Dial in -1.3 EV and you will need to increase shutter speed (to 1/60 or so). And the ISO stated on the EXIF, as suggested, is the EXIF used.

 

[MCTuomey]

It's not really that the images are expected to be life changing, it's the camera itself that is so exciting.

Leica X1? no viewfinder and expensive
Nex? No viewfinder (and for now, slow lenses unless you adapt and lose AF)
m4/3? none of the small ones have good integrated viewfinders, and image quality isn't as good as aps-c
real P&S like s90/lx5/XZ-1? No viewfinder and IQ is way behind aps-c
M8/9/RD-1? Price (and it is looking very likely that at least on the noise-in-high-ISO front, the x100 will readily spank all 3 of these)

+1 a fine aps-c sensor in a friendly body with a fine lens - ergo a lot of excitement

 

[bayusuputra]

I'm gonna wait for the first shipment and see how you all like it...

+1
i would wait for the full review first before spending all my hard earned money for this..

 

[bayusuputra]

That image is shot at ISO400, but with -1.3EV and a shutter speed of 1/30. So in other words that is also an ISO 200 photo.

yes, the exposure will be the same, but remember, digital noise is very much different from ISO200 to ISO400, although the exposure is the same, but the amount of noise will be different..

maybe what they meant was that why there is no high ISO test shots to see the noise performance?

but anyway, i think the test shots are done by one of the employees in Fuji, so it may not fully show the capability of the Fujinon lens and the camera itself..

for movie mode, i don't really care about it, 720p is enough, it is a still camera, and not a video camera.. 😀

 

[cjcm]

Here is an example I whipped up. The only image with clipped snow that I could see is this one (the very bottom has a very small row of pure white clipped pixels, but the top of the snow has detail) and it looks like not only should the exposure been recorded darker, but there is no way of knowing yet if the raw file would have had the actual info in it.

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Impressive if you ask me, especially the sky and the tree shadows along the path.

Thanks for the clarification Videogamemaker ! . The picture with snow/trees you show is very good indeed. However, on a beautiful day, the sky EV may be in the range of the snow EV. This picture doesn't show plain shadows and the exposure latitude needed to record the picture may be in fact limited.

The first picture you talked about is more problematic, maybe a wrong exposure. Also, the raw file may contain the missing info 🙂

We have to wait for more detailled tests. But I won't say I am impressed by the exposure latitude for now 😀

 

[gavinlg]

I've seen an ISO 6400 jpeg and it was most impressive.

 

[gavinlg]

Thanks for the clarification Videogamemaker ! . The picture with snow/trees you show is very good indeed. However, on a beautiful day, the sky EV may be in the range of the snow EV. This picture doesn't show plain shadows and the exposure latitude needed to record the picture may be in fact limited.

The first picture you talked about is more problematic, maybe a wrong exposure. Also, the raw file may contain the missing info 🙂

We have to wait for more detailled tests. But I won't say I am impressed by the exposure latitude for now 😀

That blown out shot is overexposed by probably 1.5-2 stops. The reason everyone is complaining that the samples are 'flat' is because they are holding so much DR, or exposure latitude. Have a good look at the well exposed shots and you'll see there's deep noiseless shadows and a very gentle highlight taper, and almost none of them have blown highlights. If you'll ask me it seems the x100 has a very high exposure latitude.

 

[bayusuputra]

That blown out shot is overexposed by probably 1.5-2 stops. The reason everyone is complaining that the samples are 'flat' is because they are holding so much DR, or exposure latitude. Have a good look at the well exposed shots and you'll see there's deep noiseless shadows and a very gentle highlight taper, and almost none of them have blown highlights. If you'll ask me it seems the x100 has a very high exposure latitude.

yes, from what i saw, the image is quite impressive for digital, but i still think it can be better tested by some pros, just to really bring out the potential of it.. for digital, i believe the image is good, if not great, for this is a compact..

 

[gavinlg]

...but i still think it can be better tested by some pros, just to really bring out the potential of it.. for digital, i believe the image is good, if not great, for this is a compact..

I agree - I think they should just give them out to some awesome influential pro's to use for a week or so. Then we'd see some great samples.

 

[PatrickT]

I agree - I think they should just give them out to some awesome influential pro's to use for a week or so. Then we'd see some great samples.

That would be a GREAT idea, especially iwth all this hype surrounding the camera. Sample photos like these (boring) bring down the excitement level a little..at least for me. I want to see some good photographs taken with this thing! That'll push me over the edge 🙂

 

[keithdunlop]

I agree - I think they should just give them out to some awesome influential pro's to use for a week or so. Then we'd see some great samples.

I don't know how influential I am, but I am a pro.

I have the X100 on pre-order and I'll certainly post some samples once I take delivery.

 

[bayusuputra]

I don't know how influential I am, but I am a pro.

I have the X100 on pre-order and I'll certainly post some samples once I take delivery.

yes, please.. i'll take your post as a promise.. 😀

 

[jsrockit]

Honestly, I'd rather see unprocessed raw files from amateurs than processed beautiful photos from a Pro... that is where you really get to see what a camera does IMO.