allen_a_george
Established
[chuckles]
No. And for the record, I think it's quite the generalization to assume that all men want big, heavy cameras.
DougK
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After reading the preview, it looks pretty promising to me. I like the idea of having the viewfinder reflect the chosen aspect ratio. If the image quality is as good as the current 4.3 cameras, I think they'll have a winner (or at least my money).
lemalk
Rebel Without Applause
A Lumix lens!!??
Is there a rift between Leica and Panasonic now?
Leica lends their name to the P&S machines but not to the new 4/3rds mounts?
It doesn't make sense.
And the styling...is...underwhelming to say the least.
Is there a rift between Leica and Panasonic now?
Leica lends their name to the P&S machines but not to the new 4/3rds mounts?
It doesn't make sense.
And the styling...is...underwhelming to say the least.
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
Tuolumne
Veteran
Must be what they're calling electronic viewfinders these days... Darn kids!
Yes, well...ahem...doesn't that make every digital P&S an SLR? That's what I told my friend a few years ago when he got one of the first affordable dSLRs. My friends, all digital cameras with live views are functionally SLRs. It doesn't matter how they accomplish it technically.
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Kin Lau
Guest
Just because the target audience is women, doesn't mean it excludes men.
My wife loves the speed of my 1Dm2, but just won't put up with the weight.
Funny enough, that it's here at RFF (99% male audience) that I frequently hear the complaint of certain cameras being "too light" or "toy-like".
aizan
Veteran
"There's no doubt that electronic viewfinders aren't going to replace optical reflex finders for all applications in the near future (the display gets quite noisy in very low light, and it will inevitably impact on shutter lag), but this is a real move in the right direction - it's perfectly possible to check critical focus using the EVF, and there seems to be very little video lag."
ick. not that it's unexpected, but i was hoping to be surprised.
ick. not that it's unexpected, but i was hoping to be surprised.
ampguy
Veteran
I think this lens is all panasonic
I think this lens is all panasonic
The Leica branded lens on my old lumix FZ3 with 3mp had a lot of glass and a constant f2.8 through equivalent 420mm. I'm not sure Panasonic can do these things on their own, or they haven't show it so far. The 2 new announced lens have .5m min. focus, and slow apertures like the bundled kit lenses of the big makers. Are the new lenses made in Japan?
I think this lens is all panasonic
The Leica branded lens on my old lumix FZ3 with 3mp had a lot of glass and a constant f2.8 through equivalent 420mm. I'm not sure Panasonic can do these things on their own, or they haven't show it so far. The 2 new announced lens have .5m min. focus, and slow apertures like the bundled kit lenses of the big makers. Are the new lenses made in Japan?
allen_a_george
Established
I believe all the Panasonic 4/3 lenses (even the Leica-branded 25mm) were made in Japan by Panasonic.
rolleistef
Well-known
It becomes the first affordable High-resolution video camera with a correct lens! Truly impressive accoridng to DP Reviews's conclusions.
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Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
And the beauty of it is if you don't like this particular camera, just wait a few months and there will be another one.
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
I mentioned this in the other thread, but perhaps the rumored digital CL will be a version of this camera, in a more rangefindery shape, with an M-mount on it. With the contrast detect, you could get a focus confirm beep, and if the screen is good enough you might not need a viewfinder or rangefinder at all. I realize people here would want an optical VF/RF, but the camera could certainly be nice and cheap without one.
It'd be odd, though, to have a "CL" with a high pixel count than the M8.2.
It'd be odd, though, to have a "CL" with a high pixel count than the M8.2.
.ken
I like pictures
Pancake anyone?
dazedgonebye
Veteran
Yep, that 20mm is encouraging.
I don't know if this camera or something from oly will be the best bet, but at least we know we'll have 1 pretty fast prime at a good focal length.
I wonder when oly is going to come out with their version.
I don't know if this camera or something from oly will be the best bet, but at least we know we'll have 1 pretty fast prime at a good focal length.
I wonder when oly is going to come out with their version.
sockeyed
Well-known
I think that there's a lot of potential in this kind of design: small form factor, no mirror black-out, no mirror vibration, short flange-to-film/sensor distance (20mm in this case): all things we like in our RF's. The manual focusing is interesting too - it zooms in automatically 5-10x when you turn the focus ring. Imagine being able to zoom in on your rangefinder patch like that!
dazedgonebye
Veteran
You know, I keep looking at the pictures and drawings of this thing, and even though the reviewer refered to the bump as cosmetic, I don't see how they could have included that evf and flash without most of the bump as it is.
Timmy P
Established
Well this is the 25 f1.4 summilux mounted on it. It's HUGE!
And I don't understand the size complaints. m6's aren't pocketable either, and their also about 2-3 times the weight. Take a look at this and see how small it is. Unless this women has man hands, this thing is TINY!
And I don't understand the size complaints. m6's aren't pocketable either, and their also about 2-3 times the weight. Take a look at this and see how small it is. Unless this women has man hands, this thing is TINY!
Nh3
Well-known
That's just another glorified P&S directed at female users... Look at that red color.
Use your Leica Ms with the new color film from Kodak (I have heard its very similar to Kodachrome - and one of the reasons that Kodak released it) and process C41 at home!
Use your Leica Ms with the new color film from Kodak (I have heard its very similar to Kodachrome - and one of the reasons that Kodak released it) and process C41 at home!
principe azul
Ian
Still an ugly bump, though. Even if it were necessary for the evf and flash, it's odd that it's been styled to look like a lower-end SLR... and have those droopy Canon-like 'shoulders' either side of the 'prism,' making the dials go at an angle.
Form following function is what makes a camera like a Leica M possibly beautiful and certainly a design classic. Here putting a very different sort of camera into an old shell just makes the Panasonic look cheap.
Still, 52mm filter thread is helpful for me as a Nikon and Nokton shooter. Still a relatively compact size as well: 62mm and up starts to feel unwieldy if you're carrying a few around on the offchance.
Form following function is what makes a camera like a Leica M possibly beautiful and certainly a design classic. Here putting a very different sort of camera into an old shell just makes the Panasonic look cheap.
Still, 52mm filter thread is helpful for me as a Nikon and Nokton shooter. Still a relatively compact size as well: 62mm and up starts to feel unwieldy if you're carrying a few around on the offchance.
sevres_babylone
Veteran
Aesthetically, I don't like the bump, and preferred the design in the fake posted a couple of weeks ago which looked like an LX3 with interchangeable lenses. But I welcome the new camera, and at the end of the day, the bump won't be a deal-breaker for me. No more camera/lens purchases for me this year (no you can't quote me), but I like the M4/3 concept, and there could be one in the future.