For Photographers the image of a shrinking Path: My reaction and others I know.

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This is my reaction (to the New York Times article "For Photographers, the Image of a Shrinking Path) that I sent to two friends of mine who are pro photographers as well (I met them at Pratt Institute in the early 1990s when we were getting out MFA's in photography) and what they had to say in response. Thought all of you would find this interesting..


To my friends in Photography and Art


I would live to watch some of these people take a once in a lifetime shot with a roll of Velvia, a meterless camera, and a hand held spot meter!!

Seriously, technology is changing things, some not good. I still prefer to use my brain and shut the auto stuff off (Aperture Priority is the only auto feature I need along with Manuel on my M8) , and think about the shot.

I can see how people are coming up with quality work, but after how many shots?

The point was well made that the professional gets the shot consistently and more often. Not machine-gunning and hit or miss photography. More pre visualization, observation, and action on what the mind can see.

Most importantly, the experience of learning photography by the study of the history of photography (from Nie'pce , Sieglitz, all the way to Salgado,etc,,,) and putting that to practice from equipment selection (Why I use what I use and how I use it ) to the final shot.

For me, personally, I have always been driven by social and political issues. Photography came into my life as a more efficient and spontaneous form of expression even though I was trained in sculpture and painting well before I ever mixed any D-76.

I guess for us is how do we see ourselves in the mirror for what we really are. I love the choices I made and I would do the same again. Some of us have fully embraced digital while others, like me, embraced it with caution and still keep our toes wet in chemistry (I like to remember where I came from. It actually makes me understand better the advantages and limitations of the new technology).

Economically, this is bad news for pros who are trying to keep their head above the water. This issue is not unique in that many today are falling prey to large corporations and organizations. Companies that pay for photography are no different. It is a sign of our times, where people are getting paid less, and daily expenses (bills, taxes, school costs for our children, insane war costs, dont get me started here!) are skyrocketing. A sad but real truth.

I love the medium too much to be too depressed about this article. I remember where I came from and look ahead to exciting things ahead. I am sure all of you feel the same. I am sure all of you fell in love with photography first, and thoughts of what one gets paid (a necessary evil) second.

After reading this article, all I want to do is go out with my camera and take more photos!!

Ed

My friends response:


Strange, but I myself feel a great loss to the exercise I once loved without equal. The age of digital has opened the doors of perfection and talent to those with a mere desire and a few hundred dollars to call themselves equal. This past week i received a call from a woman in my studio who respected my talent and sought opinion. She said, " I don't know much about photography, but I am opening a studio in New Haven and wonder which camera you think i should buy". I replied that she should first seek out a good lawyer for the law-suits that will accompany her jobs, but in point of fact, the desires of the public in this economy has very little to do with perfection or talent. This woman will work for $7/hour and get more jobs than I.
Ed, you'll be happy to hear that i will be joining the ranks of the "Leica boys", having just ordered my M9. I will be selling off my Nikon D3, D2x, and many lenses and accessories to return to a manual world of shooting. I have missed this world and the creativity that comes with it, but only now see a camera in the digital market place that will deliver the expertise in image quality I have dreamed of for many years. We are a dying breed boys, but ones that can be remembered in showing the likes of the untalented a true vision.
If this does not work for me, i was thinking of getting myself a stethoscope and calling myself a doctor. It can't be that hard, I'll just call a doctor and ask him which one to buy.

My response:

Paul,

Indeed, I am REALLY happy you made the move to the M9! I resisted ANY digital camera and relied on my medium and large format stuff until the M8 came into my hands. I too will get an M9 as you did.

Paul, you have touched on the soullessness of what the Japanese are selling as cameras. You remember the movie "The Right Stuff" (one of my favorites). What you have said reminds me of the scene where the astronauts insist to Dr. Von Braun that the "Capsule" be called a "Spacecraft" and that they would have control and be called "Astronauts"! I cannot think of anything better to relate to what you have said. Yes, I share your feelings exactly. I remember the scorn I got from some by picking the M8 (from some pros that are Nikon and Canon addicts, they could not believe I spent $4,800 on a so called flawed camera). Yes, the high ISO is not that great, yes, I need filters for IR (I use them rarely) but some of those same people are asking me how I make my black and white prints (they are having trouble). Must be that old school magic eh!!

I hate lcd menus, multi functions, etc,,, all distracting garbage!!! I want to use the mind that God gave me thank you very much.

We will just have to ride this wave of nonsense out. What I feel is when the limits of sensor ttechnology are reached (we are close), the focus on technology will dissipate, and many will be forced to think about photography again. I selected what I did based on my vision and soul. Damn the consequences and what others think!

One thing Paul,

Check out Rangefinder Forum, Leica Users Forum, Kenrockwell.com, and Stevehuffphoto.com. If Leica will be your taste again, these sites are essential!

Steve Huff has some awesome stuff on the testing of lenses with the M9. His latest is a test of the old 50mm F2.0 Summitar made in the 1940's. What it can do with the M9 is MINDBLOWING for a lens of that era. I am currently looking for one on ebay for myself with a screw mount adapter! (I love the out of focus swirls and sharp rendition, a masterpiece).

The thing that you will appreciate is you will be using not only newer lenses, but will have a choice of unique optics dating all the way back to the invention of the 35mm camera (Leica Screw Mount with an M adapter). Each lens, as I have observed, has a unique signature (not unlike the notes coming from a Stradivarius) that in many cases, modern designs cannot replicate! You will rediscover the thrills all over again, and feel the thousands you just spent were worth it, I guarantee you. Enough said!

We are in this for the long haul brother!

All the best,

ED

And my other friends response:


Maestro Paul! Does that sound a bit APOCALYPTIC?

I do admire your determination and tenacity, sticking to photography, as an art, as well as business!
 
Oh dear!..Oh dear!....more romantic sentiment ( sorry I could not manage it all ) - to have us reaching for the box of tissues! :(
 
I can see truth in this - the desire to have your creative talents challenged every time again and the feeling of control over the image and image quality vs. the seduction of a package full of instantaneous solutions moderated by the quantity of images you take. With all due respect to digital artists, of course.

I've had several digital cameras of good to excellent quality. I stepped over to digital because film workflow just isn't for me - too much factors I do not control. Nevertheless, I keep going back to high quality film cameras because I so much more like the handling of them and the way they put my qualities as a photographer to the test. A portrait with my m6 is only good if I intended it to be good and succeeded in controlling the factors that make up image quality. A portrait with my e-p1 is not so difficult to come out good.

Selling the e-p1 - good picture quality, bad ergonomics - buying an m8, possible an m9 if sources permit. I want the digital workflow, yes. But I don't want the full digital package.
 
I don't get it. Cameras can not be soulless. They are just tools. I hope I never require a specific camera and/or lens to express myself.

The difference between a D3 and a M9 in size, weight and flexibility. Both can be used in manual mode and both perform well with manual focus lenses. In some circumstances a M9 would be a better choice and in different circumstances a D3 would be better. By better I mean the probability of producing the desired result is significantly higher.

While simplicity has it's virtues, creativity does not require simplicity. One's camera does not keep one from thinking about the shot.

Equipment selection is barely relevant compared to the other factors required for artistic or commercial success in photography.
 
I am always impressed that people complain they want to use their brain and not all those features and that those people just don't have the brain to set up the tool just once and ignore all features they don't like.
 
Yeah, it takes about 5 minutes to set up a 5D or 5DII as I like them, then I use them just like any other camera. These cameras aren't complex to use.

Kind of like Photoshop, that has thousands of complex features, most of us use only a few of them and don't even know the other stuff is there.
 
The times are a' changing . . like it or not!

The times are a' changing . . like it or not!

I would also probably reach for the tissue paper if I struggled through the whole post. A lot of denial here. The fact is that the corner commercial studio is dead and so is for the most part the job of newspaper photographer, product photographer and maybe even architectural photographer.

Most photos these days are for the web and the cameras are good enough that almost anyone can do it.

But I believe people will continue to make a living in photography. They will just have to find the right niche. They will have to offer something that the amateurs cannot provide.

Some likely niches:

-- sports: Not many amateurs will invest in the long lenses required or have the skill to shoot sports.

-- high-end fashion: lighting and posing skills required and great visual ideas. Photogs have to sell editors and designers on their ideas.

-- weddings: people will want to make sure they have pix if they spend heavily on a wedding. A good eye and a track record of fast turnaround and good people skills will still make this a viable business.

-- event photography: Sure people bring P+S but have seen those on-camera washed out pix? major events will still hire those who specialize in this type of work -- so-called society photographers. Not everyone's cup of tea.

-- family events: just ask a mom whether she wants to spend her time shooting pix at her kid's birthday or look after her guests. If the price is right, she will hire someone. Maybe not for a big fee.

The old business models are dead and -- excuse me -- but you do not need to know the history of photography to take good pix.

The world is changing all the time. Whatever happened to people who made carburetors? Those things that used to be in your car before fuel injection.

This forum is more for pleasure and passion than profit. So let us all enjoy our rangefinders!
 
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We pick our tools based on our personality and needs.

We pick our tools based on our personality and needs.

I have ADD (attention deficit disorder) ,not uncommon among creative people, and I use Leicas or any other camera that have dials and aperture settings on the lens and only minimum of options ("Only the Essentials").

The most automated camera I ever bought was the Pentax 645N which I still regard a true masterpiece of modern design. If I remember correctly, that camera was designed based on what the pros really wanted. It seems most hated the push button digital display of the original 645 design. It is to bad they reverted back to what the rest have done to modern cameras with the new 645D. For me, dials are much faster than hunting through endless menus and setups. Yes, I know you can customize modern DSLRS to act like a conventional camera (turn off all the garbage and only use what is necessary for photography), but if all I want is the basics (autofocus is as far as I will go), if I am paying top dollar, I should have that choice. Leica seems the only camera company that has held to any conservative design, hence the words simplicity is elegance. The S2 design is great (I would however had aperture rings on the lenses) in that it has a conventional shutter speed dial. What the hell is wrong with the Asian camera makers (as Ken Rockwell has stated)? Some may like the gee wizz techno bang monstrosities they have constructed, but I HATE THEM!!!! I picked up my M8 right out of the box and started using it WITHOUT READING ANY INSTRUCTIONS. Cameras used to be like that where all you had to do is hold the thing and start snapping. Now, I have students who ask me "How does this work" when I do not own the camera or have an instruction book. I am as confused as they are! Something happened, and it is this wizz bang techno crap has convinced some that professional photographers are irrelevant.

How insane this is. I was driving today and thinking of that scene in the movie "The Right Stuff" where the men insisted on being called "Astronauts" and the spaceship be called "A spacecraft". Here, the word "Photographer" and "Camera" are much more desirable than "Picture taker " and "Computer with Lens". Some will hate what I said here, say it is unfair, and will shoot me down for this. For me, I want to be in control, not the computer. By this I inject "My creative Soul" into the camera itself. My brain is connected to the camera with my arm. The camera becomes part of me. I forget about the camera and start taking photos with my "eye". Modern DSLRS, for me work the other way around. This is why the M8 and M9 are so relevant to my personality. This is a personal choice for me, and should be seen in that light. The end result (Photograph) is the goal for me, and my means of achieving that are as simple as I can make it without any unnecessary distractions. For me, the Leica M rules here, digital or film!!!!!
 
By the way, people ignore history at their own risk. This is as true with the History of Photography as well as geopolitics!
 
Definition of Hell

Definition of Hell

Imagine your day waking up where the sun comes up, the sky is perfect, the food is just right, everyone smiles, etc, etc,,,,

Now imagine this being the same day after day after day.

You were told this was perfection and paradise.

It becomes something very different.

Hell reveals itself in many ways.

For me, using the M design is a way I stay out of my own Hell!!!!
 
"-- sports: Not many amateurs will invest in the long lenses required or have the skill to shoot sports."

Used to, when I went to shoot high school sports for the newspaper, I was the only photographer on the sideline. Now, there is a crowd of parents with high-end Canon and Nikon DSLR's with $2,000 IS zooms. One parent during last football season showed up with a 1DSMkIII and a 300mm f/2.8 Canon L lens. And I'm in a rural area!
 
I am always impressed that people complain they want to use their brain and not all those features and that those people just don't have the brain to set up the tool just once and ignore all features they don't like.

You may be different but some people simply don't want to configure their tools. They don't even want them to be configurable. They want them to have not one single knob too many. They want absolutely nothing that could under any circumstance distract them.

Modern tons-of-bells-and-whistles cameras simply are not for them. It's a taste, not dumbness or whatever you think it might be. :)

Some of them even are great masters of their tools.
 
some people simply don't want to configure their tools. They don't even want them to be configurable.

Evidently not enough people to make it profitable for a camera manufacturer to make one. Even the Leica M8/9 have a few "configurable" settings. Nikon and Canon wouldn't be interested in this, but maybe a small company like Leica could be persuaded to "upgrade" an M9 by deleting or crippling-out all the "extraneous" setting ability. I can't imagine they'd charge more than a couple thousand to do it :D
 
Ascribing soul to a camera is pretty over the top for me and quite sad. Cameras, dslr or rf are merely objects that perhaps some people anthropomorphize, dunno. It's the photographs we make with said tools that should move us, not pieces of metal and plastic.
 
I agree cameras do not have souls. My feeling is the M series makes it easier for me to express my inner self (my soul if you will). My photos prove to me this is so.
 
Yeah, it takes about 5 minutes to set up a 5D or 5DII as I like them, then I use them just like any other camera. These cameras aren't complex to use.

Kind of like Photoshop, that has thousands of complex features, most of us use only a few of them and don't even know the other stuff is there.

It takes about 5 minutes IF you know what settings you want to use. Same with PS.
You need to know a great deal before spotting exactly what are these settings that you want.
 
This is yet another take on rangefinder vs DSLR as far as i can see. The fact that it keeps cropping up is testamony to the fact that there is no easy answer. I love using lots of different cameras and I think changing things around every now and then keeps me stimulated. Currently have M7, D700 24-70 14-24 and a Rolleiflex 2.8GX. That covers just about anything I want to do. I have weeks of digital then rediscover the joys of my dark room again. Its not as simple as which is best.

Interestingly I am just recovering from an op for a prolapsed disc in my neck. There are no pictures taken by me from January until mid March. I gave my cameras away to a friend. Have now reclaimed them.

First pic 5 days post op. I reached for the D700!
Bowens BW.jpg

Richard
 
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