Freestyle's new LegacyPro films

ItsReallyDarren said:
I just ran out of 35mm film and I'm on the fence between ordering Arista Premium or Legacy pro. I've been using Rodinal for a lot of stand developing lately and love the look I get from AP400. I've tried the same with Neopan 400 in 645 and 6x7, and found tons of grain.
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Could you explain your stand development technique of the ap400?
I've some in the fridge, and a bottle of rodinal. Also, can this type of development work with pushed ap400?
 
mwooten said:
Could you explain your stand development technique of the ap400?
I've some in the fridge, and a bottle of rodinal. Also, can this type of development work with pushed ap400?
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I decided to give stand and semi stand developing after reading about P. Lynn Miller's write up.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61643&page=2

Box speed AP400 I mix 1+125. Agitate gently for the first 30 seconds, set it in a small bucket of the same temperature water to maintain temperature. Let it sit for an hour.

EI 1600 AP400, 1+125. Same as above. I let it semi-stand for 1 hour, with a 30 second agitation at the 30 minute mark.

EI 3200 AP400, 1+125. I develop for 1 hour and 30 mins. Agitating once at 45 mins.

*Sorry, checked my notes and my development times for EI 3200 are as follows;
1+125. Develop for 2 hours. Agitating once at 1 hour.*

The rest of the times are correct.


This was taken with AP400 pushed to 3200. The photo is linked to flickr with a few more shots of shooting at 3200.
 
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Let's ask Leica to sell "RangefinderForum M7" and "RangefinderForum M8" along the same line as having RFF film. The RFF-M8 sells for $999 and the RFF-M7 for $666. There is an honor code by which nobody may resell a RFF-Leica.
 
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Legacy Pro @ 400. Zeiss ZM and C Sonnar 50mm f1.5. Processed in D96 (similar to D76) for 7 min. Looks like Neopan 400 Prsto, curls like Neopan 400 Presto and even the typeface on the edge marking is similar to Fuji!
 
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Neopan 400 Presto. Zeiss ZM, C Sonnar 50mm f1.5, D96 for 7 minutes. Both shots are straight scans from my Coolscan 5000, no contrast manipulation (and no spotting!).
 
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Jeez. That Legacypro box is one of the ugliest things I've seen in awhile. The Arista Premium box won't win any packaging awards either. Maybe they have a 'design the ugliest box' contest over at Freestyle for these generic emulsions. You'd think they would design some better packaging for photographers who as a whole are supposed to be highly attuned aesthetes.

I like the design of the Adox box and the last Agfa APX box. Ilford has a great minimal look to all their products too.

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What is it with these box designs! It is the film that counts and if they would start selling it in 50 packs, just one plain brown card board box and 50 rolls in cans - or even better, like the old Ilford HP5 press pack with alufoil pouches, i would be happy.
 
It matters to the perceived quality of the product. Hot pink Leicas anyone? Optional heart bedazzlement available!

I love the Adox box. Very nice color scheme and proportions. Not a big fan of the leading on the film type/iso info, but hey, as Tom says...

p.s: the Legacy Pro box reminds me of old aspirin boxes. That green/red combo with the stripes is very medical to me...Do we need a prescription for those?
 
If peoples' perceptions of the quality of the product are governed by the box rather than the results I am worried. Sure, the high st consumer might worry, but these are films being sold to a pretty enlightened and increasingly focused analogue market.
 
Thank you Darren. I really appreciate it. I'll use the EI1600 scheme tonight.
ItsReallyDarren said:
I decided to give stand and semi stand developing after reading about P. Lynn Miller's write up.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61643&page=2

Box speed AP400 I mix 1+125. Agitate gently for the first 30 seconds, set it in a small bucket of the same temperature water to maintain temperature. Let it sit for an hour.

EI 1600 AP400, 1+125. Same as above. I let it semi-stand for 1 hour, with a 30 second agitation at the 30 minute mark.

EI 3200 AP400, 1+125. I develop for 1 hour and 30 mins. Agitating once at 45 mins.

This was taken with AP400 pushed to 3200. The photo is linked to flickr with a few more shots of shooting at 3200.
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Also, anybody have any experience with Rodinal stand developing and the Fuji / Legacy Pro lines of film?

I have some examples but in 645 and 6x7. The 400 is pretty grainy but its 120, not exactly a fair comparison since I don't have any in 35mm yet.
 
ItsReallyDarren said:
Also, anybody have any experience with Rodinal stand developing and the Fuji / Legacy Pro lines of film?

I have some examples but in 645 and 6x7. The 400 is pretty grainy but its 120, not exactly a fair comparison since I don't have any in 35mm yet.
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On the few occasions I used Rodinal with Neopan 400 I felt they were at cross purposes a little. Neopan is a very modern 400 film compared to others and Rodinal is a very old developer and the results never looked quite right whether I stand developed or otherwise. Xtol is a modern developer and for me it brought out the absolute best in the Neopan!

The grain always seemed far too sharp with Rodinal!
 
I usually use Rodinal with 400 just by default, it's what I always have around. But once I souped it in D76 and got this insane grain, like tiny spheres of styrofoam...I have to try that again.
 
Hello,

has anybody tried the 100ft rolls of the Legacy 100 and can comment on the numbering of the frames?

Thanks,
 
I have never tried Rodinal stand developing with any film, but Rodinal using normal techniques works well for a lot of modern films. It is the best developer I have tried for Acros and Tmax 100, which are very modern t-grain type films. I like Rodinal with FP-4 and PAN-F too, and those are modern films too at least compared to films like Efke and Foma that are very old formulations.
 
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re: Rodinal at high dilutions ... I personally feel that at 1:100, time is immaterial past a certain minimum. I develop various films (TX, TMY, APX, PANF) 1:100 @ 20 minutes, agitate for 30 seconds and then 3 inversions every 3 minutes thereafter. But I see people specifying one hour for 1:125, and other variations. At 1:100 and above, my guess is that Rodinal develops to exhaustion and agitation is the variable. I haven't tested for the minimum ("correct") dev time at this dilution, but I will.

I am willing to bet that I could eliminate all agitation but the initial 30 seconds, and the results would be the same as my "standard" agitation scheme. In fact, I did just that, and I was correct.

Next I would like to do a reasonably controlled test of 1:125 for 20 minutes and for 1 hour, both stand. I'm betting the results would be the same with the exception of the grain structure. With increased wet time, grain and sharpness might be noticeably compromised.

IOW, I suspect there is a lot of voodoo out there when it comes to Rodinal and stand development.
 
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