FUJI ACROS 100 to be discontinued?

Larry Cloetta said:
Cal,

That’s funny, but that’s how marketing works these days, in part. Would be interesting to know if camera bloggers get the same level of swag, or disclose it. Though not sure how many camera bloggers have 478k followers, which would be the key to freebies.

Larry
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Larry,

Two years ago I contacted Leica and asked them to lend me an auto-focus lens for me to use on my SL for New York Fashion Week.

To my surprise they lent me a 24-90 zoom for three weeks. LOL.

Later this month I'm going to Spain (Mad-Rid, my New Mexico enunciation) for a free "luxury" all expense paid vacation. We will be guests at some palace that has been converted into a high end hotel.

Last year my gal went. The deal was for a "plus-one" which means a guest, but I did not have my passport ready. (Everything in fashion seems to get booked at the last minute.) Of course the flight is First-Class and the hotel sends the Mercedes limo to pick her up. Of course the suite she is given is about twice the size of our apartment and has two baths.

Also it is weird when we travel because in every city she gets recognized by one of her followers (stalkers). LOL. People gush, ask for selfies, and sometimes regress into behaviors of a five year old screaming like they are going to wet their pants.

Cal
 
BLKRCAT said:
It's true. 100%. But take Kodak for instance. They would have had the same size operation and same expectations as fuji. They had a bit of a late start at reforming but they did. The fact that they are bringing back both tmax 3200 as well as ektachrome really shows their commitment to their customers.

Fuji on the other hand, never took note from Kodak. With Acros, Neopan 400 and a good chunk of E6 that only leaves them with what?, some color reversal? It's only a matter of time before that's slashed too. Kodak has really made a good name for themselves with their portra line. It's tough competition out there.

By this time next year I could see fuji cutting the last of what's remaining.
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I really doubt Fuji's exit has anything to do with competition. It's more likely that Kodak still NEEDS to make and sell film to survive whereas Fuji doesn't need film and is just slowly selling what they have for the highest price the market will bear.
 
brbo said:
I really doubt Fuji's exit has anything to do with competition. It's more likely that Kodak still NEEDS to make and sell film to survive whereas Fuji doesn't need film and is just slowly selling what they have for the highest price the market will bear.
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I agree. Kodak's business plan includes motion picture film. 5222 I think has legs for B&W 135 film.

Too bad not available in 120 or 70mm double perf.

Cal
 
brbo said:
I really doubt Fuji's exit has anything to do with competition. It's more likely that Kodak still NEEDS to make and sell film to survive whereas Fuji doesn't need film and is just slowly selling what they have for the highest price the market will bear.
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Yeah which is why I said this:

BLKRCAT said:
...With so many companies coming out with new films and overall the market seems to be growing again I speculate that there's an agenda over at fuji that's independent from the market.
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Calzone said:
I agree. Kodak's business plan includes motion picture film. 5222 I think has legs for B&W 135 film.

Too bad not available in 120 or 70mm double perf.

Cal
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Correct me if I'm wrong but 5222 is an Eastman product. Not Alaris. I'm not sure how Alaris would make it a still film when it's a motion picture film from Eastman? It's my understanding that they are separate companies.
 
Fuji is doing exactly what a large, successful, well managed corporation should do in the face of a shrinking market.

I'm not too sure what Kodak is doing and, even worse, I don't think they know what they are doing. But, as poorly managed as they appear to be, I do hope they figure out how to keep making film.
 
BLKRCAT said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but 5222 is an Eastman product. Not Alaris. I'm not sure how Alaris would make it a still film when it's a motion picture film from Eastman? It's my understanding that they are separate companies.
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B-C,

Kodak 5222 I should of mentioned for clarity.

Kodak is still a player in motion picture films. This is why I think Kodak 5222 might have legs for us B&W shooters. Also it seems to be one of the last silver rich thick emulsion films made today.

Cal
 
BLKRCAT said:
Cal it is a great film. I've worked through 200ft of it and had great shots from iso 200 - 1600. Can't knock that.
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B-C,

It is sad to loose Acros. It is a special film for some like me.

But on the other hand all I need is one film to obsess about to make it work for me to be happy. Shoot and develop again and again like a deadly Kung-Fu move.

For 135 Kodak 5222 seems like a great choice. I get nice negatives for wet printing at 400 ISO using Diafine 4+4. I only do two inversions per minute. FP4 I can also shoot at 160 ISO and develop in the same tank 4+4 with Diafine.

Perhaps do only 3+3 for thinner negatives for scanning.

120 is a different story, and this is where the loss of Acros hurts me the most. Again for night tripod shooting Acros is best.

Cal
 
BLKRCAT said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but 5222 is an Eastman product. Not Alaris. I'm not sure how Alaris would make it a still film when it's a motion picture film from Eastman? It's my understanding that they are separate companies.
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Well, Alaris would get it from Eastman and then sell it. Same as they do with all their films.
 
jonmanjiro said:
100% confirmed. The above Japanese language notification is what Fujifilm sent to film resellers in Japan. Last shipments from the factory expected in October 2018, and the shipped film will have an expiry date of October 2019.
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I don't read Japanese, but are we certain they aren't just pulling some size variations...?
From what I can infer from the document shown, I see:
135 single roll
135 3 pack
120-5 pack

So that leaves:
135-5 pack
and 120-single rolls

I admit, even if my interpretation is correct, it wouldn't bode well for Acros as it would be typical for them to pull the remaining sizes a few months later. But I'd like to be certain of what I'm seeing.
 
Pioneer said:
Fuji is doing exactly what a large, successful, well managed corporation should do in the face of a shrinking market.

I'm not too sure what Kodak is doing and, even worse, I don't think they know what they are doing. But, as poorly managed as they appear to be, I do hope they figure out how to keep making film.
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Kodak is in massively difficult financial condition. They have not achieved anywhere near the stability that they predicted post bankruptcy and it is looking like 2019 is going to be a come-to-god moment for them when they are forced to pay off their preferred shareholders to the tune of $17.50/share. That is going to take tens of millions of dollars. Money that they do not have. Kodak bonds now are junk rated. Their credit rating is junk rated by the markets.

It would be far far more preferable to have had Fujifilm stay in the film business, maybe lose some money if it had to be that way, but support this art form with the bulk of their profitable businesses.

Sadly, it does not look like that is going to happen. Kodak struggled along long enough for Fujifilm to lose interest in film.
 
bluesun267 said:
I don't read Japanese, but are we certain they aren't just pulling some size variations...?
From what I can infer from the document shown, I see:
135 single roll
135 3 pack
120-5 pack

So that leaves:
135-5 pack
and 120-single rolls

I admit, even if my interpretation is correct, it wouldn't bode well for Acros as it would be typical for them to pull the remaining sizes a few months later. But I'd like to be certain of what I'm seeing.
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I've never seen a single roll of Acros for sale in 120 format. Has anyone?
 
I remember single 120 rolls haven't been sold by either Kodak or Fuji for quite a few years already.
Single rolls understood as the format of the roll with its own small 1 roll box. Ilford sells 120 this way, without multipacks.

valdas said:
https://www.macodirect.de/en/film/black-white-films/1759/fuji-neopan-acros-100-roll-film-120
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When they are sold as such, it is from splitting a propack.

And I think the Japanese community did interpret it as a complete discontinuation without being a rearrangement.
 
Prest_400 said:
I remember single 120 rolls haven't been sold by either Kodak or Fuji for quite a few years already.
Single rolls understood as the format of the roll with its own small 1 roll box. Ilford sells 120 this way, without multipacks.


When they are sold as such, it is from splitting a propack.

And I think the Japanese community did interpret it as a complete discontinuation without being a rearrangement.
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Yes, fair comment. I can see one pack box images on internet, so it was probably available, but rather as an exception.

https://www.scandinavianphoto.se/pr...vartvit-film-neopan-acros-100-120-film-5-pack
 
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