Fuji GFX50S medium format is here.

[mod2001]

Well, focus stacking can do wonders - and has indeed replaced many former applications of tilt in studio photography. But it is hardly universally applicable, as it takes lots of time and a very static subject and camera.

Sure, focus stacking can help sometimes, but as you said, you're running into problems in the moment where you have moving subjects in the photo, besides, I prefer to get my result in 1 shot and not 5 or 10 with all the post processing work afterwards. Sadly, (automatic) focus stacking is not implemented in the high pixel count cameras, as far as I know you can get it only for Canon with the ML-software. Maybe we get lucky and Fuji thought about this, simply set the shortest and longest distance via AF and the rest is done by the camera based on your aperture settings, can't be so difficult to program. And btw, give me also a free configurable ratio setting please. I'm used to compose my photos during the shooting and not afterwards via crop.

Yogi

 

[mod2001]

Chill man. The camera was announced yesterday. A T/S option will come either in the form of an adapter (a la Hasselblad) or a specific lens or set of lenses. Also you will easily be able to adapt the Canon TSE primes.

I'm chilled 🙂 It's just that I don't understand why they don't use the opportunities in the first place, neither per hardware (lenses) nor per software. But as I said, I hope that Fuji is a little bit more innovative in the long term than Pentax for example. Alone in my narrow circle of LF photographing friends they could sell 4-5 cameras directly if they would offer 1 or 2 T/S Lenses for their 645D/Z.

Adapter is ok, but it normally multiplies your focal length (1.5 with Hasselblad for example), no useful way if you want to shoot wide angle.

Yogi

 

[HHPhoto]

Yes, that is correct.

No, it is not. For years we've had digital medium format options in a similar price range. It's nothing completely new. Did that lead to an increasing market? No, the market declined in the last years.

With the new Fuji (and also the new mirrorless Hasselblad) you have to invest and build up a completely new system as a photographer. Not only the camera body, but also new lenses and accessoires are needed.
And that is extremely expensive. As already explained, then you end up with costs in the 15,000 - 20,000 $ range for your system.
Only very rich photographers can afford that.
And 99,99% of the enthusiast market simply can't afford it.
Or will not afford it, because the difference to their 42-50 MP 35mm camera is just not worth the huge price difference.
And as said above: With 5 competing companies, and pressure from "below" from Canon, Nikon and Sony, it is very unlikely that anyone in the digital medium format market can make attractive profits.
Look at the financial reports of the manufacturers: Lots of them are already making losses or only minimal profits.

Cheers, Jan

 

[mod2001]

Only very rich photographers can afford that.

Don't think you have to be rich per definition, many people buy a car for this amount, others household stuff or whatever and and some just cameras instead. Simply setting the right priority. But even if I had so much money to spend, somehow I can't imagine to feel comfortable when taking photos out on the street with gear of 20K around my neck. The Hassi X1D is really tempting for some projects I have in my mind, but it would be simply to dangerous to walk around with this kit these days with all the social tensions in the world. No problem with my old F3 or now M2, still waiting for the day where some pickpockets give me some money to buy food or film 🙂

Yogi

 

[f16sunshine]

No, it is not. For years we've had digital medium format options in a similar price range. It's nothing completely new. Did that lead to an increasing market? No, the market declined in the last years.

With the new Fuji (and also the new mirrorless Hasselblad) you have to invest and build up a completely new system as a photographer. Not only the camera body, but also new lenses and accessoires are needed.
And that is extremely expensive. As already explained, then you end up with costs in the 15,000 - 20,000 $ range for your system.
Only very rich photographers can afford that.
And 99,99% of the enthusiast market simply can't afford it.
Or will not afford it, because the difference to their 42-50 MP 35mm camera is just not worth the huge price difference.
And as said above: With 5 competing companies, and pressure from "below" from Canon, Nikon and Sony, it is very unlikely that anyone in the digital medium format market can make attractive profits.
Look at the financial reports of the manufacturers: Lots of them are already making losses or only minimal profits.

Cheers, Jan

I don't know Jan

I think the numbers will be there if Fuji wants them and.

If Leica can make money it with the digital M system and it's seemingly similar cost of entry to the GFX50s,... Fuji could make money with this GFX system.
It's not just about pros anymore.
There are many more enthusiasts that will be attracted to this system as compared to a large and clunky Hassy or Phase marketed to pros.
Once sample images begin to surface, many enthusiasts will not be able to resist.
There are many people who can afford this camera and will want to do so.
Time will tell.

 

[brennanphotoguy]

No, it is not. For years we've had digital medium format options in a similar price range. It's nothing completely new. Did that lead to an increasing market? No, the market declined in the last years.

With the new Fuji (and also the new mirrorless Hasselblad) you have to invest and build up a completely new system as a photographer. Not only the camera body, but also new lenses and accessoires are needed.
And that is extremely expensive. As already explained, then you end up with costs in the 15,000 - 20,000 $ range for your system.
Only very rich photographers can afford that.
And 99,99% of the enthusiast market simply can't afford it.
Or will not afford it, because the difference to their 42-50 MP 35mm camera is just not worth the huge price difference.
And as said above: With 5 competing companies, and pressure from "below" from Canon, Nikon and Sony, it is very unlikely that anyone in the digital medium format market can make attractive profits.
Look at the financial reports of the manufacturers: Lots of them are already making losses or only minimal profits.

Cheers, Jan

There have been options in the $8000 price range that are useable in the same situations these systems will be? That is a straight up lie. Systems in that price range have been relegated to studio duty because anything above ISO 200 looks terrible for most purposes. And no, you won't have to invest $15,000 into a kit to get a system. You don't use MF like you would 35mm. You can get 1 or 2 lenses and be set. Or in the case of the Fuji you'll be able to adapt most of the old MF lenses anyways.

And let's be real, people manage to justify Leica SLs. This camera is much less expensive than that. The GFX will do just fine in sales.

 

[Calzone]

Don't think you have to be rich per definition, many people buy a car for this amount, others household stuff or whatever and and some just cameras instead. Simply setting the right priority. But even if I had so much money to spend, somehow I can't imagine to feel comfortable when taking photos out on the street with gear of 20K around my neck. The Hassi X1D is really tempting for some projects I have in my mind, but it would be simply to dangerous to walk around with this kit these days with all the social tensions in the world. No problem with my old F3 or now M2, still waiting for the day where some pickpockets give me some money to buy food or film 🙂

Yogi

Yogi,

The money has to come from somewhere is true. I don't own a car because I live in NYC, but it seems every 4 years I buy a brand new digital Leica. Four years ago it was the Monochrom, and this year a SL. I still love and own my Monochrom BTW. Kinda like buying a new car to me.

Cal

 

[SaveKodak]

No, it is not. For years we've had digital medium format options in a similar price range. It's nothing completely new. Did that lead to an increasing market? No, the market declined in the last years.

With the new Fuji (and also the new mirrorless Hasselblad) you have to invest and build up a completely new system as a photographer. Not only the camera body, but also new lenses and accessoires are needed.
And that is extremely expensive. As already explained, then you end up with costs in the 15,000 - 20,000 $ range for your system.
Only very rich photographers can afford that.
And 99,99% of the enthusiast market simply can't afford it.
Or will not afford it, because the difference to their 42-50 MP 35mm camera is just not worth the huge price difference.
And as said above: With 5 competing companies, and pressure from "below" from Canon, Nikon and Sony, it is very unlikely that anyone in the digital medium format market can make attractive profits.
Look at the financial reports of the manufacturers: Lots of them are already making losses or only minimal profits.

Cheers, Jan

The only company up to this year that offered a fully field capable MFD option has been Pentax. Maybe you've never shot MFD but there were even severe limitations on taking the H5D-50c into the field and shooting without being near a computer. Fuji appears to be taking everything that is great about the 645z, and combining it with many of the features of a fully customizable DSLR system, apparently based on the XT2. No-one, including Hasselblad with the X1D, have done this. Even the Pentax, which I really like, has more limitations than this Fuji appears to have.

 

[mod2001]

Yogi,
I don't own a car because I live in NYC,
Cal

Same here, public transport is so cheap and fast, no need for a car, spend all my money in cameras, travel and vinyl. But still afraid to buy a camera >2 or 3k because of a.m. reasons. I envy all who are able to do so, anyway, probably a topic for a new thread.

Yogi

 

[jsrockit]

The only company up to this year that offered a fully field capable MFD option has been Pentax. Maybe you've never shot MFD but there were even severe limitations on taking the H5D-50c into the field and shooting without being near a computer. Fuji appears to be taking everything that is great about the 645z, and combining it with many of the features of a fully customizable DSLR system, apparently based on the XT2. No-one, including Hasselblad with the X1D, have done this. Even the Pentax, which I really like, has more limitations than this Fuji appears to have.

You're not going to change his mind, his favorite topic is the collapsing of the digital camera market.

 

[user237428934]

The only company up to this year that offered a fully field capable MFD option has been Pentax. Maybe you've never shot MFD but there were even severe limitations on taking the H5D-50c into the field and shooting without being near a computer. Fuji appears to be taking everything that is great about the 645z, and combining it with many of the features of a fully customizable DSLR system, apparently based on the XT2. No-one, including Hasselblad with the X1D, have done this. Even the Pentax, which I really like, has more limitations than this Fuji appears to have.

I've seen enough outdoor stuff with Phase one or Leica S. Don't understand what kind of outdoor capability is missing here.

 

[DanskDynamit]

meh, I'll stick with PhaseOne. Not that I could buy one but it's danish 😉

 

[brennanphotoguy]

I've seen enough outdoor stuff with Phase one or Leica S. Don't understand what kind of outdoor capability is missing here.

He was speaking in the price range of sub-$10k.

 

[user237428934]

He was speaking in the price range of sub-$10k.

He mentioned the H5D. Not really sub 10K.

 

[Prest_400]

Same here, public transport is so cheap and fast, no need for a car, spend all my money in cameras, travel and vinyl. But still afraid to buy a camera >2 or 3k because of a.m. reasons. I envy all who are able to do so, anyway, probably a topic for a new thread.

Yogi

In the large cities with developed public transportation, at most a small motorbike makes sense. It is madness to drive in the center and a headache to park.

I recall seeing a profile of someone around BCN but lost track of it, I think it was yours and the best was seeing my university in the portfolio of photographs. 😀

I Live in a coastal town further south and aside of getting to the train... No need for a car in BCN. Here, it is quite useful however. Cars are cool and very nice to run fantasies but practically a bunch of expenses, plus I don't quite like driving as other cars are quite aggressive.

Baack to the topic. It is Fuji day. Just received a pack of -sadly now historical- Fuji 160NS 220 which will be for the GW690 in a long trip.

The GFX is interesting. Called my attention that pixel pitch that claims to be bigger than an equivalent in FF, might even have decent high sensitivity.

 

[brennanphotoguy]

He mentioned the H5D. Not really sub 10K.

It's the next closest new MF camera in price and saying that for the extra money you still don't get anything that's easier.

 

[SaveKodak]

I've seen enough outdoor stuff with Phase one or Leica S. Don't understand what kind of outdoor capability is missing here.

It may be something you have to use a lot to understand but even if you are seeing commercial stuff that used the 50c lots of it was tethered on location which involved someone dragging a whole bunch of equipment and set up out. Were you just to go out with an H5D-50c you'd quickly realize that the screen sucks so say goodbye to checking focus (pretty important with 50mp), and the single point AF system is severely limiting. Not only that but the max shutter speed of the H5D is 1/800th of a second so natural light portraits with lenses like the 100/2.2 are a real challenge. Phase and Hassy cams (until the X1D which I haven't tried) just don't work like a big Nikon or Canon. They're really clunky to use. The exception is the Pentax which brought much of the innovation from the DSLRs. From what we've seen so far, the GFX looks like it has all the smart features of the X series, in a lightweight mirrorless body. You're going to be able to check focus, use multi point AF, it probably has 2 card slots and good battery life, etc etc. This kind of portability and functionality has not existed yet. You 'can' take an H5D out in the field. What I'm saying is that it sucks to do so. You would never want to attempt to shoot a wedding or event with one.

 

[xayraa33]

In a way we got to congratulate Fuji Photo.

Yes it does not seem super innovative so far, but they are surely playing a game (so far at least), that makes Canon and Nikon look like fuddy-duddies in bringing in new and exciting digital photo products to market .

 

[sepiareverb]

The 1:1 option and form factor is the game changer here. I'm almost certainly in on this camera, with the 23 and 45 to start. Time to start figuring out what needs to go on the block.

It's like a big Ricoh GRD!!!

 

[gavinlg]

Worth pointing out at this point that the phase one IQ1 which is the cut price 'no frills' 100mp slightly larger medium format sensor was just announced at a price of $32,990us just for the back.

This is why fujifilm went for the .70x crop sensor at 50mp.