Fuji is on a roll
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burancap
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Now wouldn't that be a kick!
Leapfrog FF and launch a brand new digital GA/GL/GM/GS/GW whatever camera!
Holy cow!
eleskin
Well-known
I saw a friend struggle with an A7R!!!
I saw a friend struggle with an A7R!!!
Yes! A friend of mine bought an A7r and I see him fiddle with the buttons all the time to get everything right. When I got my X Pro, I didn't even read the instruction book. It took me 20 minutes to set up the camera and off I went! Use of M mount lenses is a breeze! Leica and Fuji seem to get it as far as keeping things simple!
I saw a friend struggle with an A7R!!!
Yes! A friend of mine bought an A7r and I see him fiddle with the buttons all the time to get everything right. When I got my X Pro, I didn't even read the instruction book. It took me 20 minutes to set up the camera and off I went! Use of M mount lenses is a breeze! Leica and Fuji seem to get it as far as keeping things simple!
Josh Souza
Newbie
I'm sorry he may be a moron then, or are you referring to the first few minutes he ever touched a Sony camera?
First of all, you can set it up how ever you want, after you customize it once, it's good for ever.
Secondly, it comes set up well by default.. frankly, you don't even have to move the camera from your damn face to switch settings. The back wheel is ISO, top thumb is shutter speed and the front is aperture and you have exposure comp dial and mode dial now... if that is difficult to figure out, then I will be glad to send out a helmet and a bib.
kshapero
South Florida Man
This was not meant to be a bash of other brands. Certainly Sony, Pany and Oly are pushing the envelope as well.
kuzano
Veteran
I would agree, but......
I would agree, but......
Yes, Fujifilm Cameras are storming the faux rangefinder/digital market. The APSc is nice.
I am a real Fujica/Fujifilm fan, having shot their film MF rangefinders for years. I do have three points of concern:
Price... pretty outrageous overall
Lens choices
Reduced reach over 4/3-m4/3
I've been shooting Olympus for some time now, with many of their DSLR (the first E1) up to the 16Mp m4/3 E-PL5.
Many actual creative advances on the Olympus side as opposed to simply rehashing the same faux rangefinder body/lens combos over and over.
Then there is the 2X reach factore with many regard as a plus on the m4/3 side, ie wilelife, birders, etc.
Also, If you have not seen the list of lenses that come in automated AF mount from both Olympus, Panasonic and others, not to mention all the "legacy" adaptable lenses, you might find this enlightening.
Called the complete micro 4/3 list:
http://hazeghi.org/mft-lenses.html
I've looked at many reviews of the Fuji X series offerings, but feel compelled to stay with Olympus for creative development reasons. I also have run many pixel peeking tests on images from a friends Fuji and believe I am matching IQ to the APSc sensor with the Sony 16Mp sensor in my E-PL5. But that's arguable.
I would agree, but......
Yes, Fujifilm Cameras are storming the faux rangefinder/digital market. The APSc is nice.
I am a real Fujica/Fujifilm fan, having shot their film MF rangefinders for years. I do have three points of concern:
Price... pretty outrageous overall
Lens choices
Reduced reach over 4/3-m4/3
I've been shooting Olympus for some time now, with many of their DSLR (the first E1) up to the 16Mp m4/3 E-PL5.
Many actual creative advances on the Olympus side as opposed to simply rehashing the same faux rangefinder body/lens combos over and over.
Then there is the 2X reach factore with many regard as a plus on the m4/3 side, ie wilelife, birders, etc.
Also, If you have not seen the list of lenses that come in automated AF mount from both Olympus, Panasonic and others, not to mention all the "legacy" adaptable lenses, you might find this enlightening.
Called the complete micro 4/3 list:
http://hazeghi.org/mft-lenses.html
I've looked at many reviews of the Fuji X series offerings, but feel compelled to stay with Olympus for creative development reasons. I also have run many pixel peeking tests on images from a friends Fuji and believe I am matching IQ to the APSc sensor with the Sony 16Mp sensor in my E-PL5. But that's arguable.
noimmunity
scratch my niche
Buying interchangeable lens cameras is all about buying into a system
Buying interchangeable lens cameras is all about buying into a system
"Buying interchangeable lens cameras is all about buying into a system."
Did people forget about this truism?
Looks to me like Fuji is building quite the awesome system camera there. The lenses are too sweet, the UI is about the best there is in digital-land, and the compromises (especially sensor size) have a lot to say for them. Overall creates a very compelling package for the best compromise between user experience and final product.
OT: the A7 crowd has some serious recognition-deficit issues.
Buying interchangeable lens cameras is all about buying into a system
"Buying interchangeable lens cameras is all about buying into a system."
Did people forget about this truism?
Looks to me like Fuji is building quite the awesome system camera there. The lenses are too sweet, the UI is about the best there is in digital-land, and the compromises (especially sensor size) have a lot to say for them. Overall creates a very compelling package for the best compromise between user experience and final product.
OT: the A7 crowd has some serious recognition-deficit issues.
kshapero
South Florida Man
What is a recognition-deficit issue?
burancap
Veteran
Clinically, I believe it is referred to as dangerfielditis.
Tejasican
Well-known
Ultimately I think that is the way for them to go. APS-c for every day carry, medium format for the other work.
2WK
Rangefinder User
The lenses could work just as well as aps-c nikon lenses do on my D3. The camera could just crop in with software. Meanwhile, could keep developing FF lenses 😀
YYV_146
Well-known
I don't know, but when I shoot my A7 I only use two dials for iso and shutter speed, and a button to turn peaking on or off.
Quite possibly the most intuitive piece of equipment I own.
willie_901
Veteran
Long range corporate plans are proprietary. Anyone who actually knows if Fuji intends to build a 24x36 mm sensor will keep their mouth shut.
FUJIFILM has said they do not intend to build a 24x36 mm camera.
They may be lying.
They may be developing a camera with more surface area than 24x36.
Or they may be developing organic sensor technology that will outperform 24x26 mm CMOS sensors.
Or they just might be planning to capture the market segment that understands sensor area is important, but the sensor and lens combined performance is even more important.
Nikon and Canon never tried this (selling excellent primes for APS-C) because they wanted customers to switch to 24x36 mm systems.
FUJIFILM has said they do not intend to build a 24x36 mm camera.
They may be lying.
They may be developing a camera with more surface area than 24x36.
Or they may be developing organic sensor technology that will outperform 24x26 mm CMOS sensors.
Or they just might be planning to capture the market segment that understands sensor area is important, but the sensor and lens combined performance is even more important.
Nikon and Canon never tried this (selling excellent primes for APS-C) because they wanted customers to switch to 24x36 mm systems.
jsrockit
Moderator
I secretly wish the Fujis were full frame. I'm not sure why... I'm just as happy with the images from the Fujis as I was with the M9 or the Canon 5D MKII... probably even more so. I guess its just a hang-up held over from film cameras and focal lengths being drilled into your head.
back alley
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i'm happy with aps-c and don't yearn for full frame. i think partly because the fuji lenses are so good and i'm not trying to use full frame lenses from other older makers. so i'm not thinking/wishing that my 35 was a real 35 on the smaller sensor.
my 23 is just fine and i'm starting to think of it as a 23 and not a 35 equivalent.
my 23 is just fine and i'm starting to think of it as a 23 and not a 35 equivalent.
danielsterno
making soup from mud
ditto……………………..
gavinlg
Veteran
So you are saying the xt-1 being 1600 and the e-m1 being 1599 that the xt-1 is overpriced? Even though the sensor is significantly bigger?
The xpro1 replaced my 5d III for everything I do (including work) and cost almost 1/3 for the body, and each lens is about 1/3 the price as well (as well as being better built and better optically than the canon L lenses).
Feel free to elaborate on how the X-system is outrageously priced though - I'm kind of curious.
noimmunity
scratch my niche
Needing the mediation of confirmation from others in order to know how one feels.
To be honest, we're all kinda like that, but the differences of degree are important.
It's just a gripe I've accumulated from forums over the years. The so-called "apples to apples" comparison is really almost like a myth as far as digital cameras are concerned.
Hahaha!
maitani
Well-known
I like what I see in the fuji, a step in the right direction by interface, i don't get along with a camera which has EVF though, I'm 100% not buying, I'm getting tired of all the digital releases, and compromises, every camera release is in some way castrated, I wish ricoh just throw out a GXR fullframe module, it would be my last digital for a while, but it's very unlikely ricoh will continue this system.
I might buy a worn down M8 as second body, or
I might buy a plain A7 when it hits the below 1k mark as digital back, sooner than we think, check nex5 or nex7 prices nowdays.. Or buy back into the M9 when prices go closer to 2k.
until then I'll use gxr-m and M8 for digital.
also I stopped reading rumor blogs completely, it's a waste of time, I'll keep visiting rff though, so I'll get one or two rumours in the passive way ;-)
I might buy a worn down M8 as second body, or
I might buy a plain A7 when it hits the below 1k mark as digital back, sooner than we think, check nex5 or nex7 prices nowdays.. Or buy back into the M9 when prices go closer to 2k.
until then I'll use gxr-m and M8 for digital.
also I stopped reading rumor blogs completely, it's a waste of time, I'll keep visiting rff though, so I'll get one or two rumours in the passive way ;-)
nongfuspring
Well-known
FF is great, and I think cameras should ideally have the largest sensor possible for their body size, but it seems the x-trans is only a generation (or half a generation) behind in terms of performance in regards to the latest FF cameras. The way I see it FF (or MF) cameras are always the best at any given time, but you generally pay quite a serious premium in terms of lens size (generally) and cost for the benefit of only 6 - 12 months of technological advancement.
I think it makes sense for camera buyers to stay slightly behind the curve and stick with companies like fuji with slower product cycles, smaller sensors and more consolidated lens systems, unless they buy new bodies annually and absolutely must have that extra half stop of ISO or whattever.
I have to admit I would really like to see fuji make a FF camera with microlenses for RF glass though.
I think it makes sense for camera buyers to stay slightly behind the curve and stick with companies like fuji with slower product cycles, smaller sensors and more consolidated lens systems, unless they buy new bodies annually and absolutely must have that extra half stop of ISO or whattever.
I have to admit I would really like to see fuji make a FF camera with microlenses for RF glass though.
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