Fuji vs Leica. For colors and IQ.

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I keep on checking on nice digital cameras. Only few which I like how they build. Fuji X100 series and Leicas RFs are nice ones to me.
I have done it couple of times this year. Looking and M8, M9 and M240 pictures and after it looking at pictures from X100 and X100S.
For colors, details and overall IQ the winner for me is... Fuji.
 
When the light is perfect, the M9 captures such a perfection. It maintains the original beauty, even if subtle. This is a very special characteristic in the M9. I could be wrong here, but this is how I see it. Things get close to film.
 
I have owned both the Fuji X100T and Leica M 240. I wondered the same thing: comparison of the colour and IQ between Leica and Fuji.

I took some test photos of the same scene at the same time with both cameras. I shot in JPEG to make things simple. Then I compared the images at 100% on my computer.

The Fuji was very pleasing, excellent colour and sharpness. But at 100% I noticed more 'fuzzy' areas in the image, more aliasing in the JPEG.

The Leica image (in general) was more accurate and had significantly better rendition and resolution. I was impressed.

Of course, this is a completely non-scientific test. Both cameras use very different sensors. And really, unless you're printing things at poster-size, nobody will ever notice much difference between the Leica and Fuji. They're both excellent.
 
Five years with the M9 and a couple with the M240 and all I can say is they each need a bit of work to optimize color. The M9 reminded me a lot of the original Canon 1D with CCD sensor. That camera needed to be shot in RAW and images optimized in 3rd party software (rather than Canon's own at that time) to fully realize its potential. The M240 seems a bit better here and I've seen really nice straight from camera Jpegs from others when shot in one of the built-in color 'looks', though I don't use these and find the SOOC rendering rather typical of many non-optimized higher end digital camera files.

It shouldn't really be a surprise that Fuji cameras generate great color without much effort, considering Fuji's color film background and that their cameras intentionally emulate their film stocks. That said, I've definitely seen 'over the top' results from these profiles, as though the color is slathered on...

For my wants and needs, color rendering isn't an absolute deciding factor...
 
is the color rendition of sensors really something to pay attention to these days? they all look very, very similar to me.
 
is the color rendition of sensors really something to pay attention to these days? they all look very, very similar to me.

Probably because most manufacturers are chasing similar results, namely better/cleaner high ISO performance. This can dictate the color filter array (CFA) used over the sensor. Weaker color filters result in more light transmission to the individual pixels, improving high ISO performance. But the tradeoff is somewhat worse color separation.

Fuji uses a non-standard CFA filter arrangement for most of their current cameras that they argue improves image quality. 3rd party analysis is less favorable.

IMO, color is very much a result of how each manufacturer profiles their sensors and the look they want to get out of a given camera. This was also the case back in the film days when Fuji was known for certain color qualities, while Kodak seemed to have other priorities. This was also likely due to differing color preferences in Asian vs. American/European cultures. Some films were intentionally bold and saturated, while others were more neutral or natural. This now is more the domain of software tweaks than actual sensor design, from my understanding.

There was a lot of talk about how the M9's CCD renders differently from the M240's CMOS. There are some technical differences, but IMO, I can get each to mimic the other rather easily. That said, each requires somewhat different processing to do so.

Another reason things may appear very similar is that many photographers process their images with popular image editing software from either Adobe or Phase One. For example, using the Adobe profiles to process images from different cameras may minimize the differences between these cameras, assuming the default Adobe profiles aim towards a common look.
 
To me even low cost old PS might give fine picture quality SOOC and JPEG1 under very good light.
But.
I have seen some pictures here and on Flickr taken on bright day with low ISO on digital M. The noise in blue sky was awful. At one picture it was with magenta pixels in it. 😱
 
1. To evaluate what any camera's sensor can capture and not what the jpg software spits out, you'll have to shoot raw DNG
2. Get you WB spot on and nail the exposure.
3. Have you monitor screen calibrated and use soft ware that has the specific camara profile or generate your own with color checker.

Velvia is not really known for accurate colors as far as I remember, bold and saturated, yes but accurate?
 
To me even low cost old PS might give fine picture quality SOOC and JPEG1 under very good light.
But.
I have seen some pictures here and on Flickr taken on bright day with low ISO on digital M. The noise in blue sky was awful. At one picture it was with magenta pixels in it. 😱

My experience with digital M is that it's not noiseless at base ISO. There is always some fine texture, even in the sky, similar to fine grained film. This doesn't bother me, but might bother others.

Leica does 'bake in' certain corrections, such as lens color shift correction if lens coding is enabled. This also corrects some vignetting. Otherwise, my feeling is Leica is more hands-off in respect to noise reduction and other optical related corrections than many other brands. There isn't any CA or distortion correction, for example.

Without doubt, Fuji's overall look is very appealing. But I do think they make a ton of behind the scenes tweaks to their files. Things like local contrast/clarity enhancements and variable sharpening. This is fine if you're after a finished look with less effort. Maybe not so great if you prefer to control the application of corrections and adjustments yourself in post.
 
is the color rendition of sensors really something to pay attention to these days? they all look very, very similar to me.

Light is so variable. It's how the sensors handle the variation where the biggest differences come to play.
 
Fujifilm x-trans sensors are very different to everything else in terms of color. Amongst other reasons, this is one of the main reasons I love using them. I find it difficult to explain quantitatively except that I don't feel that the output with minimal tweaking looks like it's from a digital camera. They have a tendency to blend the highlights very gently and the whole upper register of tones is very pastel. That's not to say it looks definitively 'filmish' but it doesn't carry the same sort of garish 'heaviness' to the colors that I find most digital files do - which I spent a LOT of time and effort softening out in post with my canons/olympus/nikons.

Everything I have recently shot on my blog Dirty Eyes has been with an x-trans sensor fuji, so theres the proof in my pudding. I do VERY minimal PP.
 
Well I spent some time in the Fuji image threads here.

Lots of creative photography going on. As to colors: quite a gamut, some really nice ones but no shortage of cooked shots. Many images seem to be sharpened. You know, they look like it.

I'm an M9 fan, and there are plenty, with people switching back to that camera today. There is a long thread with many stories:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/229885-did-anyone-go-back-to-m9-after-m240/page-5
That link drops you at the latest. These issues are very personal, but the M9 is a real seducer when it comes to colors and IQ:

Gifts by unoh7, 75 Lux.

No wonder at all. But then digital Leica is not about color, as I see it.
The best line of color lenses ever made for 35 format. SEM 21, 28 cron etc, nothing beats the color from these. They are famous for it. Of course they shoot fabulous BW, that's easy in comparison. But it's in the color shots you really see the work which has gone into them.
 
When do comparison, did u use same lens for both cameras?
I think lens has contribution for color and rendition.

Post sample of pics will be nice, thx.

~ron~
 
I agree with the OP and I don't: whenever I download a series of fuji and leica shots, the leica shots have something special. The same signature look can be seen with the by now antique Epson R-D1. It's subtle but noticeable. All this said, the fuji x-100 and it's successor models are more versatile cameras but have little in common with the rangefinder experience.
 
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