NazgulKing
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I tried the camera but I find the EVF very slow. I have used better EVFs than this, which makes me question the price of the camera when there are cheaper options out there.
Fuji X Pro-1, Who's Buying?
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Hmmm, what about the OVF? Do you question that in relation to other cameras that do not offer such an option?
NazgulKing
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The OVF is rather moot when Fuji releases lenses next year that can't allow for framing using the OVF.
For sure I could use the OVF, but I would like to sometimes see the final product before shooting.
willie_901
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I use the EVF and the OVF together for many subjects. They are not mutually exclusive. They can be synergistic.
Your point is well taken regarding future Fujinon wide-angle lenses. I'm not sure I would return to using focal lengths less than 14 mm with an APS-C sensor though. For projects that need a large angle of view I would prefer to drag my D700 around.
Your point is well taken regarding future Fujinon wide-angle lenses. I'm not sure I would return to using focal lengths less than 14 mm with an APS-C sensor though. For projects that need a large angle of view I would prefer to drag my D700 around.
What like ultra wides and zoom lenses? No different from a RF in this respect.
I just don't plan to buy those lenses... problem solved. Not sure why you are looking at this camera if you only want to use an EVF.
NazgulKing
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Well.. then the question is why not a Ricoh GXR?
Look, the EVF is an integral component of the system and having a half assed EVF doesn't speak much of a camera priced more than its competitors. Plus, what is the point of investing in a system when all you are going to use is 3 lenses which at best does not allow you to do everything? I am not going to trust the AF 100% of the time and a slow EVF is going to make it hard to determine the right exact moment to squeeze the trigger.
For you or for me? For me? Because I want an OVF. Also, the EVF on the GXR is external and not that great either. As a X100 user, I'm completely comfortable with using the OVF 99% of the time and the EVF is capable enough for the other 1%. The GXR is clunky in comparison. Also, I'm lucky enough to have a M9 so the Fuji's are not M lens replacements for me... they are just an alternative camera. The closest thing to a rangefinder without being one.
My point was that you are criticizing the XPro1's price because of the EVF (when it has an OVF, EVF, and LCD which no other camera does) instead of concentrating on what it does offer.
NazgulKing
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The OVF does not even tell you if you are in focus. What good is it if you are going to strictly use it for framing? With a rangefinder OVF, you get to do your own focusing. With the XPro1, you are trusting to hell the camera is doing its job well.
ZlatkoBatistich
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I haven't tried the X-Pro 1, but the current lens options look excellent for a camera of this type: 28, 50 and 90 (equivalents). The only thing missing (for me) is the 35 equivalent (I guess it will be a 23). Once they introduce the 35, the system will be complete. It looks like all 4 of those lenses will be very nicely usable with either the OVF or the EVF. The planned f/4 zooms have very little appeal for me, especially if they don't work well with the OVF.
ZlatkoBatistich
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I'm eager to see how the system works. It looks like the OVF is not just for framing. It does have AF points that light up when achieving focus. This may work well with some subjects and not with others. But I have mis-focused enough with both a rangefinder OVF and a DSLR OVF to appreciate that no system is perfect. There is an element of trusting the camera to do its job with those systems too, and a failure rate that one learns to overcome. I'm going to keep an open mind about it until I see how it actually works.
tbarker13
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Has this changed from the X100? I never used the EVF on that camera. The OVF offered focus indicators to tell me what was in focus.
Personally, I would never buy a camera with only an EVF. To me, that would be like buying a car without a steering wheel. Or without an engine.
samuelphoto
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Sharpness?
Sharpness?
If it is anything like the X100, which it should be, image sharpness is going to be your last concern. No AA filter, it's pretty amazing.
Sharpness?
If it is anything like the X100, which it should be, image sharpness is going to be your last concern. No AA filter, it's pretty amazing.
Wowza. Nothing is sharper. I'll post a crop.
gavinlg
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The 21, 35 and 40mm equivalent lenses will be able to use the OVF. Firmware will update the framelines. Also the zooms will be able to use the OVF with zoomable framelines. This was mentioned somewhere by Fujifilm.
The OVF certainly DOES tell you what is has focussed on. It has a near and far focus indicator box and the focus confirm pops up between these two to indicate where focus has been placed, which works really well. You can also overlay a focusing scale below the framelines which shows you in real time where the camera has focussed, plus the depth of field for your chosen aperture.
gavinlg
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I feel like every time I go into one of these x-pro1 or x100 threads me and a few other members are spending our time correcting people who get into a huff about an issue which is incorrect or imaginary in the first place.
DO YOUR RESEARCH PROPERLY instead of making wild assumptions and publicly announcing them. It's getting kind of ridiculous.
DO YOUR RESEARCH PROPERLY instead of making wild assumptions and publicly announcing them. It's getting kind of ridiculous.
What? That entirely defeats the purpose of these threads!
Keep that up and no one will invite you to their birthday parties...
Keep that up and no one will invite you to their birthday parties...
celluloidprop
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I don't think he's arguing that there's not focus confirmation, just that you don't really know what the camera has focused on (and even with the new X100 firmware, misfocus can happen).
Of course, a rangefinder will show perfect focus, but any alignment issues mean that it's lying to you. And I've only had one DSLR that didn't have some front/back focus issues with some lenses (or all) - and a DSLR screen is small enough that you can't necessarily tell if focus is absolutely spot on.
Of course, a rangefinder will show perfect focus, but any alignment issues mean that it's lying to you. And I've only had one DSLR that didn't have some front/back focus issues with some lenses (or all) - and a DSLR screen is small enough that you can't necessarily tell if focus is absolutely spot on.
celluloidprop
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My only beef on that matter is that you can't make the OVF AF point smaller, as you can with the EVF AF points.
Click the image for 100% crop. Yeah, that's me in the eyeball. 🙂 Depending on your monitor size (on a Mac) you might have to click twice to get to actual 100%.
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Maximum Lens Aperture: f/1.6
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Camera-Specific Properties:
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Camera Software: Aperture 3.2.2
Maximum Lens Aperture: f/1.6
Sensing Method: One-Chip Color Area
Focal Length (35mm Equiv): 53 mm
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Horizontal Resolution: 72 dpi
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Image Created: 2012:03:03 14:36:16
Exposure Time: 1/340 sec
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Exposure Program: Aperture Priority
ISO Speed Rating: 200
Lens Aperture: f/2.8
Brightness: 6.0 EV
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Metering Mode: Pattern
Light Source: Unknown
Flash: No Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length: 35.00 mm
Color Space Information: sRGB
Image Width: 1024
Image Height: 683
Rendering: Normal
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White Balance: Auto
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