Oh no, worms are about to exit the can...
Godfrey
somewhat colored
No, not really complaining about it. The XTrans sensor attempts to achieve an improvement on some aspects of image quality, but the processing algorithms are far more complex, making the adjustments fussier, and I don't see any great benefits to the trade off. It's an interesting experiment ... Many are happy with it, but I found it off-putting, just as I do the cameras' ergonomics. The latter is sorta like the old Nikon vs Canon stuff: which glove fits me best may not fit you most comfortably.
I've given up trying Fujis .. Gave it my best shot, didn't do it for me, and now that I'm about 75% Leica lenses with a smattering of other stuff I like more, I'll likely not get back there.
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back alley
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different strokes...
i was thinking this afternoon, while walking with the x-e1 and 27, just how comfortable the body was in my hand...especially the oddly shaped little grip...fits my hand so well.
i was thinking this afternoon, while walking with the x-e1 and 27, just how comfortable the body was in my hand...especially the oddly shaped little grip...fits my hand so well.
Pretty overwhelming, 85% like it the way it is (poll numbers as of this moment.)
As for ergonomics, off-topic but little if anything to complain about from me.
As for ergonomics, off-topic but little if anything to complain about from me.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
It's no surprise at all that owners tend to like their cameras the way they are.
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semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
Different ≠ fussier.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
No, lots of people want various changes in their cameras. I could list twenty changes to the Fujifilm cameras that I'd like to see, without effort.
What this indicates is that people who have experience with the XTRANS sensor are really impressed by its output.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Not necessarily. But it's not worth debating about. I'm much happier with my cameras than I ever was working with the Fujis, and that's all that matters to me.
However, as a trained statistician, this poll is very flawed and reveals little..
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willie_901
Veteran
The XTrans sensor has significant advantages and some disadvantages. This is not unusual. The same goes for the sensors Godfrey enjoys.
I am thankful we have access to a wide range of choices. I would never own Godfrey's cameras and he would never own mine. We are both happy and confident with our decisions. This should be celebrated.
I am thankful we have access to a wide range of choices. I would never own Godfrey's cameras and he would never own mine. We are both happy and confident with our decisions. This should be celebrated.
Yes, hopefully the photo industry remains strong enough to keep producing such a wide variety of quality. Companies have recognized market niches for differentiating their products and appealing to customers in those niches, instead of everyone producing blandness. Taking design risks is a good thing, to move the technology forward. Bravo to Fuji for 'thinking different.'
aizan
Veteran
godfrey, could you help me fix the poll?
Stockman
Member
I'd be happy to stick with X Trans as it is if only someone could come up with a decent RAW converter. In the mean time give me a conventional Bayer sensor.
gavinlg
Veteran
This has been mentioned quite a bit now, but every single major raw converter supports x-trans and all of them are very good.
aperture, lightroom, capture one, silkypix, irident, acr & so forth.
This misinformation really needs to be laid to rest.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
No joke. Capture One is magnificent with this sensor and ACR is very good.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
Nonsense.
The poll is only flawed if you are silly enough to think it's an attempt to obtain an unbiased sample of the opinions held by some imagined underlying population, rather than to find out what the entire population of RFF members interested enough to participate in a poll think.
I think it was intended as the latter, and is adequate for that purpose.
Perhaps when you have the statistician's hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
There's no point to a poll which does nothing but reinforce all the "Fuji X club" members' favorite opinion. At least to me. It's easy to write a poll which does that. It's not telling you anything at all, it's just letting you slap each other on the back congratulating each other on how nice a camera you chose.
I only pose a poll for things where I want to glean real information.
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I only pose a poll for things where I want to glean real information.
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GaryLH
Veteran
So correct me if I am mistaken here.
The way I read into the premise for this poll is that u are basically ok w/ everything about the Fuji xp1/xe1 and now xm1 but do u wish for the sensor to be changed?
The poll covers every variation of possibilities between xtran and Bayer. What it does not cover for example is foveon or the possibility of a new different sensor like the one under joint development by Panasonic and Fuji.
Thus a vote for a non xtran sensor does not seem to be a pat on the back.. Given what maybe the premise of this poll, what else would u add?
And btw, if they had foveon like as a option, I would vote for that.
Gary
The way I read into the premise for this poll is that u are basically ok w/ everything about the Fuji xp1/xe1 and now xm1 but do u wish for the sensor to be changed?
The poll covers every variation of possibilities between xtran and Bayer. What it does not cover for example is foveon or the possibility of a new different sensor like the one under joint development by Panasonic and Fuji.
Thus a vote for a non xtran sensor does not seem to be a pat on the back.. Given what maybe the premise of this poll, what else would u add?
And btw, if they had foveon like as a option, I would vote for that.
Gary
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
You might be a trained statistician. I am a working scientist whose mortage relies in part on assessing the merits and limitations of digital 2-D sensor arrays.
I'm curious to know what you think an unbiased, statistically valid sample of photographic enthusiasts might have accomplished that this informal poll did not accomplish.
Just so I can understand how you go about framing a question.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
I can't imagine what information from this poll would assist you in 'assessing the merits and limitations of digital 2-D sensor arrays.' At most, this poll might indicate trends at some marketing-level customer perception/opinion assessment.
To create a poll, framing the questions for data collection, takes time and effort. I'm happy to put in the effort, but I don't have time today—I have work to do. Perhaps I'll have time this evening to write up my throughts.
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semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
Nice job of misreading what I wrote. Really outstanding.