paulfish4570
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I wonder if its introduction will drive down the price of the Canon G11 ...
Fuji X100 Digital SOMETHING from Fujifilm
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Spyro
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It looks like it's going to be the first mirrorless camera with a decent VF which is built into the body and costs less than 2k. VFs are important, many people pay top $ for 50 year old cameras just because they have good VFs.
If the internet buzz is any indication I reckon Fuji will have more orders than it can make cameras.
What is your definition of a point and shoot?
eddie1960
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that parrots not dead he's just pining for the fjords mate
hteasley
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That's what the fuss is about, I'm guessing.
My definition has always been a camera that the user makes no decisions except composition and "decisive moment." So basically a box that you just point and press the shutter release. It kills me to hear this camera being called a point and shoot. It goes completely against the spirit of what this camera is trying to become.
tapesonthefloor
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Viewfinders have been overlooked for a long time because they're not a gimmick, and the digital camera market has largely fallen to gimmicky one-upmanship. This camera is evidence that at least one R&D group has said to itself: "Whoah, let's step back for a minute here... how do people actually use cameras?"
The excitement on RFF and elsewhere over this camera is about that as much as anything else: evidence that at least one camera manufacturer is interested in innovating a bit and breaking this cycle of useless, unfriendly, gimmicky cameras.
The excitement on RFF and elsewhere over this camera is about that as much as anything else: evidence that at least one camera manufacturer is interested in innovating a bit and breaking this cycle of useless, unfriendly, gimmicky cameras.
eddie1960
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thanks Tom for the info
like you i hope they go for the better build
at this point i'm ready to sell of a lot of digital gear and replace with this if they go that route
if i was fuji i'd be awed by the response a camera not even in production yet has gotten
they've nailed so many key things we all want it feels like a miracle
pentax evl rumours have been floating around, maybe hoya will be partnering on this and introduce an interchangeable lense version as they have said they would enter the evl arena with something gamechanging
looks like fuji beat them halfway to the punch
like you i hope they go for the better build
at this point i'm ready to sell of a lot of digital gear and replace with this if they go that route
if i was fuji i'd be awed by the response a camera not even in production yet has gotten
they've nailed so many key things we all want it feels like a miracle
pentax evl rumours have been floating around, maybe hoya will be partnering on this and introduce an interchangeable lense version as they have said they would enter the evl arena with something gamechanging
looks like fuji beat them halfway to the punch
Seems to me that there is more hate than love for this camera. RFF is not the typical photo forum.
BillBingham2
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dazedgonebye
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Yea, I don't see a camera with shutter speed and aperture controls right where they should be being classed as a point and shoot.
In fact, this things actually better than the Hexar AF I like comparing it to...in that aspect.
Frankie
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I am well aware of the 8 element lens must be seated well beneath the front flange. The whole lens barrel is only 20mm long, and photogrammetric scaling from the optical drawing [simple ratio between front element width to whole optical train length] indicate as much.
A shim mount to M specification is possible because there is 2mm worth of a gap. A sunken mount is whole different matter, the [measured] lens barrel width already indicates not enough room.
[Had the u4/3 [20mm] and NEX [18mm] mounts are deeper, there wouldn't have been almost immediate offerings of adapters from all sorts of vendors.]
I do believe front-threaded wide- or tele-adapters are more likely...yes, yes, I know, the IQ is not likely Leica-good.
Frankie
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I cannot agree more.
Perhaps the Head Bartender could set up a new category called Fuji-X100...a class of its own.
Kent
Finally at home...
tonyjuliano
Wooden Indian
Frankie
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Deep down, defenders of the pure RF faith know the X100 challenged their whole posture.
tonyjuliano
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v_roma
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Does anyone know what they may have meant with this statement?
Could this mean that the camera will try to emulate classic film profiles in-camera? Or is that just crazy talk?
And, in case anyone is wondering, yes I am obsessing over this camera and have reached the stage where I try to get more information by reading too much into vague marketing documents...
On the website, they also have an (unclear) explanation of what the RAW button does: one-touch switching to RAW (clear enough); shooting/in-camera RAW (??); and Development Mode (??).
Could this mean that the camera will try to emulate classic film profiles in-camera? Or is that just crazy talk?
And, in case anyone is wondering, yes I am obsessing over this camera and have reached the stage where I try to get more information by reading too much into vague marketing documents...
januaryman
"Flim? You want flim?"
I'm not feeling any hate. I hear a lot of guys slapping their rear pockets to see if they have their wallets on them, hoping there's enough inside to buy one of these. I'm there.
Frankie
Speaking Frankly
The u4/3 crowd knows their quarter-FF size sensor is smaller than the half size APS-C sensor and small than the FF so-far-M9-only sensor. Their's are smaller than others.
The X100 also served notice to NX and NEX that no VF or only OVF won't do...and Canikon had better offer a FF and with IL...O'EVIL...or they will own the market.
Despite opinions abound that MSRP $1000 is too high, my nose tells me middle-ground customers will come out of the woodwork.
The P&S masses might also aspire to X100...preempting the G12 or P7000.
There is no doubt in my mind that the Leica X1 is dead; and the X100 will surround the Leica gates...
The camera will also find its way into the hidden compartment of many a M2/3/4/5/6/7 bag, kinda also killing the M8 as a stepping stone to M9/10...
Frankie
Speaking Frankly
Don't worry about it...the firmware will sort itself out soon enough. The most important thing is: the O/EVF is here to stay.
Mock-up or not, the X100 sent everyone back to we listen to customers [you are part of us]...politician talk.
I did that once in 1993 showing a roll-film scanner wooden model in our professional convention and sent Leica, Zeiss, Wherli and Vexcel all back to the drawing board...their 1 cut-frame-at-a-time only scanner in a roll-film world simply won't do. Our kind of scanner starts at $100k++, 1993 dollars.
[Everyone soon announced adaptation except Zeiss...they had the honesty to admit adaptation will not be a good solution, the roll (100m x 24cm) weights 10kg. Moving mass will kill sub-pixel precision requirements immediately. Zeiss came out with a whole new product a couple of years later and became the undisputed champ to this day.]
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