Fuji X20 - Looks a Killer on the every day with you camera!!

the x1/x20 are beauties.....and very intuitive to use....but the tiny sensor is not appealing to me :(.....the sony is way better but not as beautiful as the fuji....what can i do????

wait for the sigma dp4 with zoom f2.8 lens????
 
Monochrom said:
the x1/x20 are beauties.....and very intuitive to use....but the tiny sensor is not appealing to me :(.....the sony is way better but not as beautiful as the fuji....what can i do????

wait for the sigma dp4 with zoom f2.8 lens????
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Ask yourself what's more important: beautiful camera, or beautiful images.
 
take a look at the x10 gallery thread, some pretty impressive images there for sure. and i easily fit my x10 in a pocket, either jacket or cargo pants. skinny jeans, no. like i said, i never left it home because it was too big, and never carried it around my neck or in a camera bag. either in a pocket or on my wrist.
tony
 
OlliL said:
Absolutely aggree.

I'm strongly considering a switch from RX100, to the X20.
I already had the X10, but I just didn't like the VF being without any informations.
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I have an LX5 now that I rarely use (I'd rather use my x100), but I think I'm going to spring for the X20. The IQ and functionality should be an improvement over the LX5 for a p&s. I'll just miss that wider end on the panasonic.
 
people have different size thresholds and ranges for cameras, whether they're everyday cameras or work cameras.

i think the x20 is on the large side, mostly because of the built-in viewfinder and large lcd, but still small enough to keep in the shoulder bag. i want one! built-in viewfinder is a must for something you'd use in the sun.
 
unixrevolution said:
You don't consider the much larger body, smaller sensor and fewer pixels a hindrance?

Seems to me that, as good as both cameras are, RX100 buyers would be much more reticent to switch to the Fuji than the other way around.
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We shouldn't forget that even though the RX100 has a larger sensor area, they've crammed another 8MP into that area. My guess is that image quality will be similar for these cameras, even though you'll be able to print larger with the RX100's 20MP files. But really, people are finding that 12MP is plenty for printing BIG. And if you can believe the folks at DPReview, Fuji is finding some way to apply pretty radical dynamic range expansion to their files... much farther than Sony at this point. So I'm betting that the Xtrans sensor is going to be the game winner for the near future.
 
OlliL said:
Absolutely aggree.
I'm strongly considering a switch from RX100, to the X20.
I already had the X10, but I just didn't like the VF being without any informations.
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Last summer I did some tests in a shop with the X10 and X100. I need an OVF (gives me smaller handling differences switching from this to RF cameras and back) and accept the bigger body for that. But when I compared the naked OVF of the X10 against the X100 the decision was clearly to pay the higher price of the X100.
Now if there was already the informative OVF of the X20, I suppose I wouldn't own a X100...
 
theres a lot of talk about the bigger sensor thing with the x20 vs the rx100 but in all honesty, as a compact camera, many of us wouldnt benefit from having a larger sensor. i shoot with my old gx200 all the time and it never gets old for me. for something like this, it comes down to usability imo. i agree that the built in VF is a make it or break it for most people.
 
dct said:
Last summer I did some tests in a shop with the X10 and X100. I need an OVF (gives me smaller handling differences switching from this to RF cameras and back) and accept the bigger body for that. But when I compared the naked OVF of the X10 against the X100 the decision was clearly to pay the higher price of the X100.
Now if there was already the informative OVF of the X20, I suppose I wouldn't own a X100...
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I won't trade my X100, for the X20!
For me, there are several points, that make the X100 superior to the RX and two-digit X. High speed flash sync would be one.
 
There are some things that are indisputable. Shooting with an OVF is a preferred method for most on this board, I'm pretty sure.

That being said, I have both a Fuji X100 and just before Christmas, got a Sony RX100.

I prefer by far the shooting experience of the X100. I like a solid camera, holding it to my eye, and generally shooting like a rangefinder.

*However*...

Since I got the RX100 I've picked up the Fuji twice. The RX100 is totally pocketable, has a zoom range that would normally require a lens the size of a coffee can on a dSLR, has about as many pixels as my 5DmkII, is faster than the X100 in both focus and shooting/storage, and generally has the same IQ. The only two things I don't prefer for a super-compact like the RX is that it doesn't have the 50mm wide-open bokeh for portraits (you can get some, but it's not effortless), and I don't prefer waving the camera at arms' length to shoot.

The Fuji X20 looks like a terrific camera, but if I require an OVF, the X100 is a much better shooter, both technically and comfort-wise.

If I don't need the OVF, well...the RX100 is a much better camera, period. I very often wonder why I still need the 5DmkII (yes, I said that).
 
20x30 printed from the RX100 (it looks fantastic...it was PP'd for a Moriyama-type film look):

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My next test print will be a color 20x30 shot. The film grain in this b&w can hide sensor imperfection, so a clean color shot at this size is where compression artifacts and noise suppression really become obvious.

I've never printed a compact camera shot at 20x30 inches before this one above. I'm pretty picky, and it's jaw-dropping in it's simulation of film (I compare it to shots from the Moriyama books on the table...spot on). There is obviously plenty of resolution.

Anders Petersen, another compact camera artist, shoots his Contax T3 solely because large prints are sharp edge-to-edge on 35mm film.

To stay on-topic, the X20 looks like a terrific camera, but they'd need to do some serious magic to make up for the real estate on the Sony 1" sensor.

And, purely my own opinion...if it's going to be that size as a compact, I think I'd opt for a m4/3 body.
 
got my fingers crossed for a pen with an evf, rangefinder-style, and the om-d sensor. keeping my options open.
 
I'm near-sighted, so I just look over the top of my glasses and hold my Sony RX-100 six inches in front of my face to shoot, keeping both eyes open and so not having to press a viewfinder into my glasses is wonderful.

Hmm, maybe that's why I like shooting the Rolleiflex as well? It's also why my M6 has a 0.58 finder. I don't like having to press a viewfinder INTO my glasses to see everything I need to.

Joe
 
ditto. makes me wish the canon powershot n had a folding hood and a side grip like a linhof technika, rollei 6000-series/hy6, or something like that.
 
Like most of you I have been through my share of camera. Sold my Ricoh GXR setup as I gave up on waiting and I did not want the M module, size was good though. Tried a FUJI XE, wonderful, but did not like the fact that it became bit with zoom, bought the Sony RX100, sold it because it is tiny, too small as much as I wanted small, IQ was/is good. Keep my GRDlV, giving my daughter the lll. I will buy the Fuji X20 then decide if I want the 100S or will wait for the new X lenses (I want the 23 and 54 I think it is). I think Fuji will introduce XE and pro with the new sensor faster than most believe, so I will wait since the lenses I want are not released yet either. I am hopeful that the X20 will do what I want, I like the size, I do not carry a camera in a shirt pocket, but I can put it in a domke pouch and use the strap and that is fine.
 
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