Fujica G690BL help!

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Hey all, I just got a Fujica 690BL, and the shutter is jammed due to a weak darkslide curtain spring (darkslide won't open when I turn the latch). Is there any way I can fix this short of taking it to my local repair guy? Not that I am opposed to doing so, but I'm pretty impatient and would like to use it as soon as possible 🙂

Thanks in advance for your help!
 
I don't have one in front of me but the shutter mechanism is incredibly simple and if you're brave and have ever opened up a camera or lens before you may be able to un-jam it.

You may want to have the lens on the camera so as to release the catch that keeps the darkslide curtain closed/open. After that, I'm pretty sure you can get to some of the mechanism from under the bottom plate. It's been maybe five years since I've had one open though, so I apologize that I don't know more off the top of my head.

Good luck!

Phil Forrest
 
Thanks Phil. I have a repair manual, but I don't consider myself especially handy at camera repair work. I've done really simple stuff (changed light seals, recovered a couple cameras) but never successfully opened a camera and repaired it. Although if I had a step-by-step on how to unlatch the darkslide so that I could at least use the camera (not necessarily repair it) I might be brave enough to try. Just wondering if anyone had dealt with this problem before.

I don't have one in front of me but the shutter mechanism is incredibly simple and if you're brave and have ever opened up a camera or lens before you may be able to un-jam it.

You may want to have the lens on the camera so as to release the catch that keeps the darkslide curtain closed/open. After that, I'm pretty sure you can get to some of the mechanism from under the bottom plate. It's been maybe five years since I've had one open though, so I apologize that I don't know more off the top of my head.

Good luck!

Phil Forrest
 
Don't get it 100% what you mean. To close the darkslide you turn the handle with the red dot half a turn. To release/open the darkslide you pull the catch at the left side of the handle you turned. A silver rectangular button, pull it out of the camera.
 
Don't get it 100% what you mean. To close the darkslide you turn the handle with the red dot half a turn. To release/open the darkslide you pull the catch at the left side of the handle you turned. A silver rectangular button, pull it out of the camera.

Yep, and none of that works. Dark slide won't open b/c the return spring has weakened over time. This is a well-known problem with this camera.
 
Try to get the lens off in a change bag and prod the darkslide a bit. At worst you loose a frame with fingerprints. Otherwise first put the camera on "R" and spool your roll so you don't loose any frames. Then you can open the back and remove the film. Trying to open and close the darkslide a few times can also help. It does on my GM670 that has a weak spring.
 
Thanks. Tried all that, still no joy. I was hoping for a simple fix, but I'm afraid none is to be found.

Try to get the lens off in a change bag and prod the darkslide a bit. At worst you loose a frame with fingerprints. Otherwise first put the camera on "R" and spool your roll so you don't loose any frames. Then you can open the back and remove the film. Trying to open and close the darkslide a few times can also help. It does on my GM670 that has a weak spring.
 
I'm very confused, but that's easy to do...

I'm very confused, but that's easy to do...

I've had about 5 of the bl models, 4 of the prior models, and 3 GL models.

When Fuji added the Breech lock, the idea was that you could not take the lens off without opening the dark slide.

I don't know what you mean by the shutter jammed, because the shutter is in the lens, and it can be tested independent of the camera. (off the camera)

There is a lever that you have to use to charge the lens inside the back near the mount breech. You have to get to it with a stick of some sort and push the lever around the inside of the lens about 1/8 of the way around. Once you do that, you have to use the stick to move the second lever to trip the shutter. Again, this is lens off the camera.

If you can do that, and the lens fires, then the shutter is not jammed. I don't know how the dark slide affects lens shutter.

The breech lock (chrome button on side of lens mount on body). This was added because on the G model (first model) you could mistakenly take the lens off without closing the dark slide. The BL locks the lens, and you cannot remove the lens with an open dark slide, if it's working properly. There is some sort of interlink between the position of the dark slide and the lens lock mechanism.

I don't know what you mean by weak spring not allowing opening of the dark slide, unless there is an internal problem. A weak spring only serves to either NOT open the slide very slowly or not at all.

Common problem symptoms are, dark slide opening slowly, not opening at all from the closed position, or won't close at all.

In my terminology:

Open means the frame is not obscured so the lens can shoot through the frame onto the film
Closed, as in the slide closes off the entire frame, so the lens can be changed midroll.

I've had a couple of bl models that did not work properly, although the camera shutter worked fine (still puzzled on that comment).

On one the fabric came out of the tracks and jammed the opening partway.

My fix on "naughty" bl's.

Disable the dark slide mechanism if not working 100%.
Take off the chrome lock so the lens can be removed regardless of the dark slide
Do not do midroll changes.. That's pretty simple since only get 8 shots per roll..no more 220.

Use it like a G model.

Or send it to the guy who knows and can field strip these cameras in the dark. Frank Marshman. He's seen and CLA'd well over half of mine. In discussions about the dark slide, it's a difficult fix and not worth it. Lucky if it works at all.

Sure, it would be great if all these 40 year old cameras worked in every respect. In this case the mid roll change dark slide was a rather worthless idea in the first place.

The one I am sending him this week does have a nice, snappy dark slide, as about 1/3 of mine have had.

If you want Franks contact info, ask me please. He's on the East Coast, or $15 away by Large Flat Rate USPS. He's fair on price and timely on repairs.
 
Sorry if I'm a little fuzzy with my terminology, I'm new to this particular model and am used to 35mm rangefinders.

1. Yes, the shutter fires. The lens and shutter mechanism is working perfectly fine.

2. The dark slide curtain is the culprit here. It is closed and will not open so that I can properly fire the camera (shutter button will not engage). Hope that makes more sense.

Appreciate your help. This will definitely be a job for someone more competent than myself.

I've had about 5 of the bl models, 4 of the prior models, and 3 GL models.

When Fuji added the Breech lock, the idea was that you could not take the lens off without opening the dark slide.

I don't know what you mean by the shutter jammed, because the shutter is in the lens, and it can be tested independent of the camera. (off the camera)

There is a lever that you have to use to charge the lens inside the back near the mount breech. You have to get to it with a stick of some sort and push the lever around the inside of the lens about 1/8 of the way around. Once you do that, you have to use the stick to move the second lever to trip the shutter. Again, this is lens off the camera.

If you can do that, and the lens fires, then the shutter is not jammed. I don't know how the dark slide affects lens shutter.

The breech lock (chrome button on side of lens mount on body). This was added because on the G model (first model) you could mistakenly take the lens off without closing the dark slide. The BL locks the lens, and you cannot remove the lens with an open dark slide, if it's working properly. There is some sort of interlink between the position of the dark slide and the lens lock mechanism.

I don't know what you mean by weak spring not allowing opening of the dark slide, unless there is an internal problem. A weak spring only serves to either NOT open the slide very slowly or not at all.

Common problem symptoms are, dark slide opening slowly, not opening at all from the closed position, or won't close at all.

In my terminology:

Open means the frame is not obscured so the lens can shoot through the frame onto the film
Closed, as in the slide closes off the entire frame, so the lens can be changed midroll.

I've had a couple of bl models that did not work properly, although the camera shutter worked fine (still puzzled on that comment).

On one the fabric came out of the tracks and jammed the opening partway.

My fix on "naughty" bl's.

Disable the dark slide mechanism if not working 100%.
Take off the chrome lock so the lens can be removed regardless of the dark slide
Do not do midroll changes.. That's pretty simple since only get 8 shots per roll..no more 220.

Use it like a G model.

Or send it to the guy who knows and can field strip these cameras in the dark. Frank Marshman. He's seen and CLA'd well over half of mine. In discussions about the dark slide, it's a difficult fix and not worth it. Lucky if it works at all.

Sure, it would be great if all these 40 year old cameras worked in every respect. In this case the mid roll change dark slide was a rather worthless idea in the first place.

The one I am sending him this week does have a nice, snappy dark slide, as about 1/3 of mine have had.

If you want Franks contact info, ask me please. He's on the East Coast, or $15 away by Large Flat Rate USPS. He's fair on price and timely on repairs.
 
I played a bit with my GM670 as there is no film in it right now. And the darkslide won't open at all right now.

But if I remove the lens, and then while I pull the lever to open the darkslide push a bit with a finger in the right direction, the darkslide snaps open.
 
I played a bit with my GM670 as there is no film in it right now. And the darkslide won't open at all right now.

But if I remove the lens, and then while I pull the lever to open the darkslide push a bit with a finger in the right direction, the darkslide snaps open.

Thanks Spanik. I tried this approach and it worked...well, after some hamfisted prodding on my part. An inelegant solution, but now the camera is functioning, and I really don't need the dark slide anyway, so I just have to remember not to try engaging it in the future.

Thanks again everyone for your help! Looking forward to some 6x9 goodness.
 
Well, back to square one. Now the shutter release button is not engaging the lens shutter with every wind/press. It hits 1 in 3 times or thereabouts. But with film out, the back open, and the R/S switch on "S" I can get it to fire pretty reliably. grrrr. Looks like it's off to the repairman regardless!
 
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