Fun with the Hasselblad 907x

[Vince Lupo]

Well Sorry I'm calling BS.... The color profile in I'm assuming either Phocus or Capture One is what your seeing and liking along with the lens not some magic Hasselblad "Color Science".... You could certainly make your own custom color profile and the colors would very different...

Well I don’t think so, but that’s just my opinion. I’m not using Phocus, but ACR like I use for all my other photos taken by all my other cameras I’ve used (Z7, D4, D800, Leica M-D). I see the difference the minute I load them into ACR. Just compare the Z7 photos above - they were processed the same way at the same time as the 907x photos. But here again, just my opinion as someone who physically has the camera and looks at the RAW files.

 

[35photo]

Ok ACR.... Your probably either using Adobe Color or Adobe Standard Profile.... Go ahead change the profile and watch your color change....

Well Sorry I'm calling BS.... The color profile in I'm assuming either Phocus or Capture One is what your seeing and liking along with the lens not some magic Hasselblad "Color Science".... You could certainly make your own custom color profile and the colors would very different...

Well I don’t think so, but that’s just my opinion. I’m not using Phocus, but ACR like I use for all my other photos taken by all my other cameras I’ve used (Z7, D4, D800, Leica M-D). I see the difference the minute I load them into ACR. Just compare the Z7 photos above - they were processed the same way at the same time as the 907x photos. But here again, just my opinion as someone who physically has the camera and looks at the RAW files.

 

[Vince Lupo]

Yep it sure does change, but so would every other image no matter what the camera. As I say I see the difference between my Z7 and the 907x using the same ACR settings -- I'm happy in my ignorant bliss, if that's the case.

 

[Godfrey]

I don't know what you're calling BS on, 35Photo.

Obviously if you change the color profile, what's in the rendered image will change. Hasselblad calls what they are doing their "color science", but that's just as obviously a marketing name for the way their handling of the raw data and color profile render.

There's not just a color profile involved as the sensor is 14 bit, the output file contains 16 bit data, and the results are not the same as the Fuji cameras that use an identical sensor. This "color science" is why a lot of people continue to go for Hasselblad over Fuji cameras in this particular market segment.

You don't believe there's a difference to what Hasselblad is doing?... Have you tested and evaluated any Hasselblad image files?

G

 

[Vince Lupo]

After the Rain 907x by Vince Lupo, on Flickr

 

[karateisland]

Just to add to what Godfrey has said: The (once) prolific photography blogger and educator Ming Thein, who was Hasselblad's chief of strategy for a time, says that Hasselblad does take a different approach to color processing.

Here are a few pertinent sections from his longterm review of the X1D, which has the same sensor as the 907x.

Like all Hasselblad cameras, sensors used in the X1D are individually profiled to a fixed reference color standard at all ISOs – I shoot the X1D comfortably to ISO 12,800. In fact, each camera has nearly half a gigabyte of calibration data in it. I believe Hasselblad is the only company to do this – it’s one of the reasons output is so spectrally neutral and tonally natural across the sensitivity range, and no dark frame subtraction is required even on exposures up to one hour.

It is a native 14 bit sensor, but we do the data handling in a 16 bit space (as with previous cameras, and the H6D-100c, which has a true 16 bit sensor).

The operating system of the camera is 16 bit. You see the differences in highlight rolloff and recoverability.

 

[Yokosuka Mike]

The title of this thread is "Fun with the Hasselblad 907x"

So, for the love of God, let's have "fun" and not pick apart our camera choices.

I also see no need to compare Hasselblad with Fuji. Each their own. Some folks have financial constraints, some of us have other motivations for our camera and lens choices.

Let's just enjoy our love of photography.

All the best,
Mike

 

[Vince Lupo]

The title of this thread is "Fun with the Hasselblad 907x"

So, for the love of God, let's have "fun" and not pick apart our camera choices.

I also see no need to compare Hasselblad with Fuji. Each their own. Some folks have financial constraints, some of us have other motivations for our camera and lens choices.

Let's just enjoy our love of photography.

All the best,
Mike

Absolutely Mike - there's enough conflict going around in the world, we don't need to add to it over a camera of all things.

 

[35photo]

Yep "color science" is a marketing term and that's what I'm calling BS on... I love how people will sit here and defend this stuff.... Your getting the color from the lens, sensor, and color profile... More so the lens and the profile...So they are lying saying its a 16 bit sensor when it 14 bit.... but we work our magic and make it 16 with our Hasselblad "Color Science" Total BS! Don't get me wrong I like Hasselblad stuff... Yes I have shot Hassy stuff in the past way before any of this current group of Hassy camera's... H4D-39 and the First CFV Back....They were impressive but totally unreliable they are very quirky camera's in my opinion.... I happen to own a Fujifilm GFX 50R... I love the way it handles and it fits in the way I like to work... and enjoy the images it makes.... Fuji has marketing with there "Film Simulations" which just are set of camera profiles that handle color in different ways...

I don't know what you're calling BS on, 35Photo.

Obviously if you change the color profile, what's in the rendered image will change. Hasselblad calls what they are doing their "color science", but that's just as obviously a marketing name for the way their handling of the raw data and color profile render.

There's not just a color profile involved as the sensor is 14 bit, the output file contains 16 bit data, and the results are not the same as the Fuji cameras that use an identical sensor. This "color science" is why a lot of people continue to go for Hasselblad over Fuji cameras in this particular market segment.

You don't believe there's a difference to what Hasselblad is doing?... Have you tested and evaluated any Hasselblad image files?

G

 

[Godfrey]

Yep "color science" is a marketing term and that's what I'm calling BS on... I love how people will sit here and defend this stuff.... Your getting the color from the lens, sensor, and color profile... More so the lens and the profile...So they are lying saying its a 16 bit sensor when it 14 bit.... but we work our magic and make it 16 with our Hasselblad "Color Science" Total BS! Don't get me wrong I like Hasselblad stuff... Yes I have shot Hassy stuff in the past way before any of this current group of Hassy camera's... H4D-39 and the First CFV Back....They were impressive but totally unreliable they are very quirky camera's in my opinion.... I happen to own a Fujifilm GFX 50R... I love the way it handles and it fits in the way I like to work... and enjoy the images it makes.... Fuji has marketing with there "Film Simulations" which just are set of camera profiles that handle color in different ways...

Hasselblad hasn't lied at all ... they've said nothing about the sensor being 16 bit, they've said quite pointedly that the raw data file has 16 bit data in it. Up-rezzing the bit depth of the collected data for processing purposes is a time honored technique that I used at NASA when doing imaging work as far back as 1984: it helps expand the processing window to prevent hitting edge and boundary conditions as you filter and manage the image data for output.

I'm glad you're happy with your Fuji GFX50R. I'm equally delighted with my 907x and have seen none of the "quirky camera" stuff you are referring to.

Now, please, let those of us who are delighted with our Hasselblads enjoy "Fun with ..." and ignore this thread. 🙂

Symmetries - Santa Clara 2020
Hasselblad 907x + XCD 45mm f/4 P
ISO 1600 @ f/8 @ 1/100​

enjoy,
G

 

[Vince Lupo]

Nice shot Godfrey.


My Wife's Bouquet by Vince Lupo, on Flickr

 

[Larry Cloetta]

My Wife's Bouquet[/url] by Vince Lupo, on Flickr

That bouquet is really “something.” Hope it wasn’t too spendy.🙂

 

[Vince Lupo]

That bouquet is really “something.” Hope it wasn’t too spendy.🙂

Only ten dollars!

 

[oldwino]

"Film Simulations" is a marketing term and I'm calling B.S. on that one too...

You have a very strange axe to grind here.

 

[chipgreenberg]

Another nice use of design and geometry Godfrey

 

[Vince Lupo]

Interesting things today....


Soap by Vince Lupo, on Flickr


The Neighbour Around the Corner by Vince Lupo, on Flickr


Blue Heron2 by Vince Lupo, on Flickr


Blue Heron1 by Vince Lupo, on Flickr

 

[helen.HH]

Wonderful thread !

 

[oldwino]

Interesting things today....


The Neighbour Around the Corner by Vince Lupo, on Flickr

That’s a pretty great photo.

 

[Rayt]

Wow. They look like stills from a horror movie. In a good way 🙂

 

[Vince Lupo]

Wow. They look like stills from a horror movie. In a good way 🙂

It was an unusual day, to be sure! Didn't think I'd encounter these things in our little neighbourhood walk -- just proves to me that you never know when a picture might present itself.