Gallery rating system

[Todd.Hanz]

This is a nice idea and seems to work well, thanks to whomever is responsible for implementing it. Is it automaticly applied to each image posted?

Todd

 

[Roman]

Hey, I thought the exact opposite - how can you rate the quality of a picture with a number, non-verbally?

Roman

 

[TPPhotog]

It's a nice idea but I had enough of ratings over on photo.net where people starting bitching about mate rating etc. To me it's only natural to rate friends pictures as they are usually the majority of the work you will take the time to look at.

Goes without saying I'll abstain from using ratings, but it's a good facility for those that like using them 😉

 

[Wayne R. Scott]

Hey, I thought the exact opposite - how can you rate the quality of a picture with a number, non-verbally?

Roman

The answer to your question is 4.

Wayne

 

[Todd.Hanz]

Hey, I thought the exact opposite - how can you rate the quality of a picture with a number, non-verbally?

Roman

You can still offer a verbal "attaboy" or criticism along with the rating and there has already been an example of ratings from 1-10 on a single photo. Some people find it hard to put into words what they like or dislike about an image, It's another way to say "nice job" or "try harder" I guess.

Todd

 

[ray_g]

Comments, in the past, have been helpful. The problem I see with the new ratings system is that, now, every picture is open to critique, whether the photographer wants it or not.

If you ask me, there should be a button to click when uploading, if you want the photo to be open for critique.

 

[TPPhotog]

Ray I'll ask you ... I agree with that idea if it's not too much work for those changing the code 🙂

 

[back alley]

jorge must have turned it on. i think it's part of the software.

i am dead set against it as i have seen the harm that can come from a ratings system.

joe

 

[Gerold]

my opinion: number rating will not do any good to the gallery, for all the reasons already discussed to destruction . C'mon, we all have more to say about a good (or a bad) photograph than "9!", "6!", "3!" or something like that. Let's try to be as creative in commenting as we try to be in photographing.
Best, Gerold

 

[RayPA]

I don't mind it so much, as an adjunct to the commentary, as long as it is accompanied by commentary. However, I think the rating scale might be too long (I mentally lop off the extremes, figuring there are no 1's and there are very few 10's). Additionally, I think the rating system has a potential to go astray here at RFF. Our gallery is already in a state of flux with controversy about how we should use it. Until, we iron out its purpose, it may be best to leave the ratings off. 🙂

 

[Bertram2]

Hey, I thought the exact opposite - how can you rate the quality of a picture with a number, non-verbally?

Roman

You can, but this rating then says much more about you than about the pic ! 😀

I find the separate gallery for critique a good idea, but rating not really helpful, from the above said reason.

If rating at all then A ->NOT without a comment and B -> NOT anonymous !!
Who knows pnet knows the prob. Deadly.

Personally I won't give any ratings , again from the above mentioned reason.
Numbers without a basis of defined criteria say nothing, excepted what the rater finds to be the adaequte number. Who cares ?

Regards,
Bertram

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

I hope that this new rating gallery is a better success than it ever was over at Photo.net. Ratings are misused by people who, when they disagree with you, go and retaliate by rating outragiously low, and still get away with it given the premise that all ratings are subjective.

If I could make another suggestion, I wonder if it's possible to make it optional to put a picture up for rating?

 

[Todd.Hanz]

there is a folder available now for posting images to be rated, your choice.

I personally don't have a problem with a numerical rating system, I can handle the concept but I wouldn't rate an image without leaving an explanation either.

I don't understand the fear of numbers here, this is not a competition, we are not vying for placement or an award are we? I look at it as another way to say " good job", or "nice try".

If you post an image in the gallery is it off limits to any opinion or comment? I don't think so, I guess you could place a message in the description that reads "Please look at my picture but do not leave an other-than-glowing response"..."look but don't touch". Don't people want others to see the work they've done, if not why would they put them here, online, in a public forum?

The gallery has been through a few changes in the last couple years, I like the gallery the way it was but also the way it is now, it has grown with the forum and that's good to see. The great thing is Jorge' will bend over backwards to please us, even if we are little snotty nosed, sniveling pains in the ass.......Jorge', thanks dude!

Todd

 

[RayPA]

For the reasons stated (e.g., the P.net experience), I feel some guidelines need to accompany the rating folder. I think shortenting the scale and making the lowest number equivalent to an average image (a 'C'), and the highest equivalent to an exceptional image (a 'A+'), we could eliminate the negative connotation of a lower number. For example, to continue the grading analogy, there would be no Poor ('D'), or failing ('F'), only average, good, great, outstanding, and exceptional (for example). It would theoretically be impossible to 'slam' someone.

🙂

 

[back alley]

anyone remember the movie, 'eddie and the cruisers'?

so so movie, great soundtrack. it was about a band.
the main character said to another, it's all about the music and the words.
he wrote the music and the other guy wrote the words.

when it comes to 'rating' a photograph, for me, it's all about the photo and the words.

numbers mean nothing - it's all about the words.

so, rate my photo a 6 and i think you kinda like it but your words say the comp is off and photoshopped all wrong and contrast is way off and why use a long lens when a real shooter moves in with a wide?

and the next rating is a 4 and the guy says it's the best pic he's seen this month.

numbers alone mean nothing and maybe less with words.

joe

 

[Bertram2]

If rating at all then A ->NOT without a comment and B -> NOT anonymous !!
Who knows pnet knows the prob. Deadly.

Personally I won't give any ratings , again from the above mentioned reason.
Numbers without a basis of defined criteria say nothing, excepted what the rater finds to be the adaequte number. Who cares ?

Regards,
Bertram

I forgot something really important here:

If rating is considered to be desirable then nobody should be allowed to rate pics who has not posted own pics at all.

This would open a backdoor got all these sickos we got known to at pnet and who find it funny to spent their time with bombing down photos at galleries., just to feel the power to do something destructive. There are alot of these idiots out there in the web !

And it could make it a bit less easy for another kind of sickos who put up dummy members just to bomb the pics of others down and push up their own.

I cannot imagine that we have people like those her in the community but if you open a door this kind will be attracted by that new playground.

I would second Joe's words, numbers alone say nothing, excepted what the rater PERSONALLY THINKS the pic is "worth", with words the numbers can but must not say more .

Important: What the rater says is all relative to his own knowledge, ability , if you don't know it his rating is mostly without any worth.

When I posted pics for critique at pnet and got six or seven ratings between 4,5 and 5.5 and suddenly somebdy bombed the average down with a 2 or even a 1 i went to his gallery to check what this guy had shot himself.
If it wasn't a dummy member without any pics of that kind I described above i ALWAYS ( without one single exception !! ) found pics which proved this guy had not learned his own lessons yet.

So his rating meant he did not like my pics or he did not undertstand them or he had poor sex before or whatelse ever , but it did nothing say about my pic.

All rating are realtive to the rater, inother words the photos only prove a photog's competence and and the one who is critzised should always have the possibility to check how competent the critic is himself.
His photos tell it.
Actually it is not very difficult to find the boundary conditions for a proper working
critique gallery, no numbers only, no anonymous rating, no dummies without pics but 800 ratings in 2 months, and a monitoring system which keeps idiots out who obviously have fun with making a mess with abused ratings.

If then goodwill is the driving force and all those stay outta there who cannot stand ANY kind of critique it should work fine.

The pnet mess is based on the fact that the responsible admins did not think about that all before they made their system. And obviously they don't care up til today, from what reasons ever, otherwise this system would work nicely too.

Regards,
Bertram

 

[nomade]

I think it's nice, i mean it's not an exam but i think it's not that hard to tell how did u like the pic...and the ratings are the simplest way to express that.

 

[FrankS]

I agree 100% with Bertram. If the safeguards he mentions cannopt be put into place, then I will vote against a numerical rating system. Why are we trying to be more like photonet? I'm extremely happy that we are not like photonet!

 

[back alley]

again, i agree with frank.

we have grown into our own being and that is why the people who come here, stay here.

i don't care for the cookie cutter approach to things.

joe

 

[RayPA]

I agree 100% with Bertram. If the safeguards he mentions cannopt be put into place, then I will vote against a numerical rating system. Why are we trying to be more like photonet? I'm extremely happy that we are not like photonet!

Hi Frank, Regardless of the vote, Jorge already changed the gallery to contain a numerical rating system, and he also initiated a specific folder dedicated to those who wish to have their images rated, so really the discussion should center on how to make the gallery/folder work. IMO, it is a worthwhile discussion, since it appears from the polling thread that the membership is almost evenly split on this.

So the question is really how to make it work for RFF and prevent what has happened at photonet.


I think Bertram makes some good points, and that some conditions need to be in place:

...nobody should be allowed to rate pics who has not posted own pics at all.

Would this be for the Rate My Photo folder, or the main gallery(ies)? I think this is a fine requirement, however I disagree with the concept that someone should not be willing to accept a critique of their work, based on the quality of the work of the person doing the critque.

You put your work up for critique, you should be willing to accept the critique and commentary of any member who has met the above criteria without malice or recrimmination.

...I would second Joe's words, numbers alone say nothing, excepted what the rater PERSONALLY THINKS the pic is "worth", with words the numbers can but must not say more.

So commentary must accompany the numerical rating, this is good, but apparently there is a glitch in the gallery, because the only way to add commentary is to rate first and then go back and edited your post. For some reason when you do both at the same time the commentary gets deleted (at least it did last night when I tried it).

🙂