Got my Oly 35RC and I am mad!

[Natalia]

the seller misrepresented the camera! And I was looking forward to use it so much.....I contacted the seller. She/he claims that there's nothing wrong with the cam when she/he mailed it. The seller DID do a good job of packing. I carefully examinned the box - it's intact.

 

[Kris]

Oh boy, sorry to hear you have such bad experience on New Year's eve. Try to tell the seller that corrosion and all that mess in film compartment don't grow in lightning fast pace so they cannot have developed during shipment. See if he/she will refund your money. I doubt it though; sounds like a rather dishonest seller to me.

I once bought a QL17 GIII with 'slight haze on the glass otherwise in working order' only to find it's good only for hammering nails or to be thrown into the bin. That's the only camera I bought where the seller resides in different city so I couldn't inspect the camera before handing over the cash and it won't happen again in the future.

 

[taffer]

Sorry to hear that Lil 😡 , hope you can get a refund, let us know.

 

[nwcanonman]

Natalia,
Sorry the seller "stretched the truth" in his description to you. The damage in transit (if that's what happened, would be caused by his poor packaging and the corrosion would take weeks, not in shipping.
If he won't take it back, I'd try prying the corner up (maybe with something brass so it won't show) so you can at least use it.
And if you want to send it to a great RF camera repairman (he fixed my SP) I'll give you his name ~ ; - )

 

[Natalia]

Natalia,
Sorry the seller "stretched the truth" in his description to you. The damage in transit (if that's what happened, would be caused by his poor packaging and the corrosion would take weeks, not in shipping.
If he won't take it back, I'd try prying the corner up (maybe with something brass so it won't show) so you can at least use it.
And if you want to send it to a great RF camera repairman (he fixed my SP) I'll give you his name ~ ; - )

Thanks, nwcanonman. I am not touching this cam. All I want is to be refunded, so I could get the same type of cam from a trustworthy seller.

 

[doubs43]

LilRedSpy, please send me a PM with the name of the seller. I'd like to add them to my list of sellers to avoid.

Your pictures tell the story. The seller, IMO, misrepresented the camera and I'd demand a refund of my money. Let them know that failure to satisfy your complaint will result in unfavorable feedback and a fraud report to ebay. Also explain that you can prove that you paid quickly so any negative feedback by them on you will generate yet another fraud report to ebay. Describing the camera as "mint" was dishonest and your photos prove that it wasn't "mint" before it was sent to you.

Good luck.

Walker

 

[laurentvenet]

it's a sad swindle, oly 35rc is such a pretty little toy when it's mint and working. I do hope that you'll be refund but such a lying seller can not be honest.

 

[jlw]

If the seller claimed this camera was "mint," it definitely was misrepresented.

The squashed corner by the advance lever COULD have been shipping damage... but the seller can't expect you to believe that the shipping company unpacked it, filled the film chamber with dust and film chips, tore off a corner of the leatherette, slid a flash unit in and out of the shoe a few times, and then repacked it and sent it to you!

If this were just a camera you had bought "as is," cheap, then you might let it slide -- looks as if it might clean up OK. But if you bought it on the representation that it was mint, you're entitled to kick. In that case, you're doing the right thing by not touching it or trying to figure out what's wrong with it.

 

[Natalia]

OK. I just got an answer from the seller. Looks like she/he (the name is Michal) is not going to refund me and is trying to blame it on the the shipping company. The bos IS intact and the item was very well packaged. I saved it.

Here's the reply:

"first off, i wouldnt give you the money until i recieved the camera
back IF i was going to refund your money. all the things that you have
complained about i feel are not my fault and therefore not my
obligation. i read the part about reporting me to ebay as a violation,
you took place in the transaction as well therefore you are not in a
position to complain. there was never a discussion between us about
refunds beforehand and you also did not request shipping insurance. i
do not appriciate your threatening tone and i can assure you that
you'll find me less helpful because of that. I know for a fact the
camera worked when i sent it, i have photos developed that the camera
took. when you bid on my item on ebay it said at the bottom of the
page:

"NOTE: I offer shipping insurance on all of my items, if you decide
not to get it, that's fine, however I am not liable if the product
comes damaged from shipping or not at all."

having bid on my item (thought it was cancelled) i was under the
impression that you agreed to this stipulation and you did not request
shipping insurance. you will not be recieving a refund and i will not
accept a newly broken camera back".


...a newly broken camera???????? The seller's Ebay ID is "vatisales" , so please steer clear of that person....


Does anyone know how to reverse a credit card payment with PayPal? Thanks.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

Lil,

The next thing you tell us is that "Vitasales" betatropin muscle spray is a hoax!!!

WHAT! You mean this sellers stuff doesn't Work!

Not to be confused with Vatisales... Which does not seem to sell too many cameras either. Mostly sells flags and other stuff not as complex as a camera.

My wife asked me why I don't sell as much on Ebay. It is because of sellers like this and buyer/seller scams.

If Ebay does not do anything about it soon, it will be history.

Paypal should enforce rules like the Credit Card companies do, withold payment from sellers selling broken merchandise.

I have bought many items off of Ebay of late, but all with listed problems or very cheap. Most sellers pick up there stuff from garage sales or similar and are clueless about the camera or lens. The worst ones claim it is mint; can't tell from the little fuzzy photos. My worst was an Argus Cosina that the seller stated "I can;t see any reason why this camera won't work". I received it, it was completely frozen-film advance-selftimer-shutter-mirror-etc. It had been in a fore and the insides were melted.

If the sellers primary business is anything but fine cameras, stay away from them unless the price is REALLY good or they have a money back offer and Feedback to back up the claim.

 

[rover]

Did you send the pictures to the seller? I would complain to ebay, Paypal....

Publish the sellers name here (already done, thank you) and at every other photo forum you know of.

 

[Natalia]

Did you send the pictures to the seller? I would complain to ebay, Paypal....

Publish the sellers name here (already done, thank you) and at every other photo forum you know of.

Rover, hi. I did e-mail the seller all the photos. VATISALES implies I did the damage to the camera(!) That saddens me beyond measure. I am giving the seller till tomorrow to set things straight.

 

[Natalia]

I looked at the seller's feedback and his history of items sold during the past thirty days -- did not see your camera.
D2

I put a bid on the camera, and then the listing was removed - he/she used text from Stephen Gandy's site illegally. The seller then offered to sell me the camera outside Ebay. $40 isn't all that much, but sellers like that need to be taught a lesson.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

If the seller removed the listing and then sold it outside of EBay, you can report them to the Ebay Fraud department. They will ban a seller that has done so. Save the Emails with the offer and the Paypal payment.

Let the seller know that for $40 they risk being barred from EBay. They essentially cheated Ebay out of the money that keeps them running.

 

[wlewisiii]

Since it was done "outside" of ebay, they will likely say "too bad". OTOH, since it was a mail order (ie you recieved product via the US Mail) I believe that you can file a mail fraud complaint with the post office. Then he will be looking at a federal prison (no parole and harsh minimum sentences) or a hefty fine for the fraud and may well get the message fast.

William

 

[rover]

William has something there. You can complain to the Postmaster at your post office with the evidence. Most of the other things that came to my mind aren't very nice.

 

[Natalia]

Most of the other things that came to my mind aren't very nice.

😀 😀 😀 , rover.

 

[bmattock]

I have a few suggestions. As a recent e-Bay seller who has been stung by a dishonest buyer, I know what happens (your situation is reversed, of course).

You contact seller and demand refund as item is "substantially not as described." Remember that - it is the key phrase.

Seller refuses to give money back. Check.

You file a complaint with Paypal. Say that the item was essentially not as described. They have a form for you to fill out.

They then FREEZE the seller's account. He can't do squat. This will remain this way for several months.

Paypal will ask you to take the camera to a repair place and verify that it is a) not as described, b) not repairable or c) repairable and how much it would cost. You'll have to do the leg work on this yourself, and get a letter from the camera people. You'll have ten days to do so.

Then Paypal will ask the seller to respond and ask him to refund your money voluntarily. He will refuse.

Then Paypal will tell both parties that they will make a decision in 7 to 14 working days. This takes TWO MONTHS. During this time, the seller's account remains frozen.

Paypal will then decide in your favor, deduct the money from his account, and ask you to Fedex the camera back to him at your expense. You will have to provide a tracking number.

The seller is asked to tell Paypal when they get the camera back. If they refuse to do so, Paypal will wait seven days, check with Fedex themselves, and determine that it has been delivered.

Then Paypal will refund your purchase price plus the shipping you paid initially. They will release the hold on the seller's account. If the seller has a negative balance, they will go after him until he puts money in to make his balance zero.

The seller gives you negative feedback, and you return the favor.

And that's about it. I'm sorry you got stung, but believe me, you will win and he will lose when you complain to Paypal. They do NOT take the seller's word for it, trust me. I got royally jacked by a buyer. In your case, you are in the right, so even more good for you that you will win.

Sorry for all the trouble. The seller is in for a world of hurt, he just doesn't know that yet. When he's been through this experience with Paypal, he will never sell anything again on eBay. I know this because I will never again sell anything on eBay. And I've been a member on eBay since 1996 with a 100% rating. Trust me, you'll win.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

PS - As Paypal will tell you, even if they somehow decide against you, you still have eBay to complain against, and then your credit card company - you have lots of options, you can make this guy's life a living hell for doing what he did to you for the next year or so. But you have to go through Paypal first - or they will refuse to deal with you if someone else is already involved.

 

[Natalia]

the seller continues to act as if I am the "bad guy" :

"ok i saw on there that youre going to give me until tomorrow to clear
this all up. that is simply out of the question. If this really means
that much to you ill consult my lawyer and be back with you within a
few days. in any case you WILL NOT recieve any money until its mailed
back, so dont plan on getting a refund with it still in your
posession."


.......so, I mail the camera back and he/she make it look like there was no sale at all? Yeah, right. Fat chance! I am contacting Ebay and PayPal right now. This is rediculous.

 

[Rob]

Since you did the transaction outside of Ebay, you won't be able
to leave him negative feedback. I could not get to Pbase to see
whats wrong with it. Does it work at all? Whats broken on it?
Ebay may try to penalize you for going outside its rules too.
Paypal is owned by Ebay so I dont think thats gonna help...
Rob