GR Digital V to have APS-C sensor

Thanks for the link.. To bad they could only play w/ a preproduction. 799.95 is the price...1/4000th to 300 seconds. Wow what a range. Iso up to 25,600 .. Outrageous. Can't wait to c some shots from this camera.

Gary
 
that's great news for regular gr1 users!

it looks comfortable in hand, too. hopefully it'll have a snap mode and a relatively good battery life. the rest matters little to me, really.

i guess after all it's only a question of time to see a 35mm sensor with a 28mm/f2.8 lens in the classic gr1 body.
 
I have the GRD IV and I'm really looking forward to this new model. Although it has a new sensor, high ISO etc hopefully giving better image quality, what do you guys think about the slowing down of the lens to f2.8? The previous 1.9 version is a much loved lens among GRD users. Just wondered what you guys think.

Paul
 
kuvvy said:
I have the GRD IV and I'm really looking forward to this new model. Although it has a new sensor, high ISO etc hopefully giving better image quality, what do you guys think about the slowing down of the lens to f2.8? The previous 1.9 version is a much loved lens among GRD users. Just wondered what you guys think.

Paul
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^ Paul, I think we will be good with Ricoh's newest GR offering at f/2.8, please let it be the same quality lens.
Only a matter of time till digital catches up to film & we get a FF 28mm f/2.8 Ricoh GR :)

* Seeing your sig. line up I think this will fit right in as a pocket-able larger sensor fixed wide ;)
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Well, the original 35mm film, FF, Ricoh GR 28mm line were f/2.8 at the largest aperture. Set film speed being the limitation with consideration of latitude of loaded film. As long as they continue to use the same quality GR lens than we are GTG.

The introduction of the GR Digital I/II went from f/2.4 @ 8.1mp to the GR Digital III/IV f/1.9 @ 10.1mp. All models using the common 1/1.8", 1/1.75" & 1/1.7" CCD Sensor. Most will use these models up to ISO 800 with acceptable results. This size sensor is almost the smallest & most common P&S sensors that are offered with RAW capture files.

The APS-C Sensor is many times larger in surface area than the smaller P&S CCD mentioned above. The captured DOF at f/2.8 on the APS-C will be thinner than f/1.9 on the 1/1.7" CCD. Also the increased sensor size with no AA filter will allow higher iso speeds & increased IQ. The ability to shoot higher & cleaner iso speeds will trumph the CCD limited range, basically the difference in f stop between the two. 2-3 stop difference.

Sensor size reference:
http://www.gizmag.com/camera-sensor-size-guide/26684/pictures#13

I would love for a faster lens & optical vc/is, & A OVF but those features usually come at the sacrifice of body size. Some have made mention of a faster lens in future offerings, but I'd take a FF varient @ f/2.8 than a faster lens on a APS-C ;)

I really hope the AF speed is as fast as they say it is outside of SNAP w/ minimal shutter lag.
Reason: Wife/Friends taking pics . . . . . . I like to be in a couple pics :)
 
kuvvy said:
I have the GRD IV and I'm really looking forward to this new model. Although it has a new sensor, high ISO etc hopefully giving better image quality, what do you guys think about the slowing down of the lens to f2.8? The previous 1.9 version is a much loved lens among GRD users. Just wondered what you guys think.

Paul
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Don't you worry about this, Paul - what you should be worrying about is buying a used Fuji X100S from a good friend and let them worry about bagging the new Ricoh ;)
 
As far as the move from f1.9 to f2.8 goes, I look at the GXR A12 28 and its 18mm f2.4 lens. It absolutely holds its own at ISO 1600 and at 3200 it looks great in black and white. If you don't mind the fine-grain luminance noise it is okay in colour, too. The new sensor promises far higher ISO performance which I think will mitigate the tiny half stop loss in aperture from f2.4 to f2.8. And aps-c at f2.8 gives much more shallow depth of field than f1.9 in a sub-sub 1" sensor, so I'm certainly not worried about that, either.

If the rumours are true, and the GR uses the same sensor as the Pentax K5IIS, it will be the bomb of image quality. The Nikon A sensor is that of the D7000 and it's getting great reviews, so as long as Ricoh get the processing right, we will see some really great images coming from this camera.
 
kuvvy said:
what do you guys think about the slowing down of the lens to f2.8? The previous 1.9 version is a much loved lens among GRD users.
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Well, they most likely did it to provide you a better lens...and one that doesn't need as much software correction. I would think more glass is needed to cover this sensor vs the old one... to keep the lens small, it seems 2.8 is the way to go. It's worth noting that every GR lens has had its fans...the film one so much so that they released LTM version of the lens.
 
FrozenInTime said:
1st GRD V preview http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/04/16/first-impressions-ricoh-gr/
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That link does not work any longer and all I get is a 404 Error from that page.

Looks like someone should not have posted that preview/review before Ricoh/Pentax gave them the "ok" to do so.

Gary, regarding a 21 version - Ricoh did produce one in the film days when it was JUST Ricoh and it wasn't "sullied" by Pentax ;) (I kid.. my first SLR of my own was a Pentax and my dad's SLR was a Pentax)
http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ricoh_GR21 (that link DOES work) :D :D

Cheers,
Dave
 
jsrockit said:
Well, they most likely did it to provide you a better lens...
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I suspect it was more to provide a smaller lens, people seem to be concerned about size.

However the aperture of 2.8 is consistent with the original film GRs so perhaps that was a motivating factor too. Improved ISO performance can easily make up for lack of aperture width and besides with a 23mm lens you're never going to get much in the way of OOF areas unless you're in some kind of macro mode.
 
I always said once Ricoh came out with a digital GR with a large sensor and a 2:3 raw aspect ratio, I'd buy it. Now I guess I have to put my money where my mouth is. AND it is truly pocketable.
 
GaryLH said:
http://photorumors.com/2013/04/16/this-is-the-ricoh-gr/#more-41534

Rumor info from photo rumors... If that 21 converter is any good.. I might be interested. But I can wait... I want to c how the rest f the competition responds.

Gary
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Yep. I recall using the 21mm converter on the GRD II - it was pretty awesome - just made the camera "unpocketable" as a 21mm but if you took it apart and carried them separately it was ok.

Right now - the way things are - I would consider the Ricoh IF the Image Quality/high ISO was decent and the price was at that point. I like what the Nikon does so far - it's pretty incredible and, for an indoor party type camera it's ridiculously good because I can pop one of the many Nikon flashes on top (SB400) and away I go...

Cheers,
Dave
 
According to that rumor, the actual announcement will be at midnight tonight.

Couldn't tell if the camera will ship in late May or the 21mm adapter or both:

"Will be released in late May also 21mm Wide Conversion Lens GW-3"
 
Late May gives me enough time to make some $$$ *LOL*

(I don't need two 28mm APSC sized P&S cams.. I don't need two 28mm APSC sized P&S cams... I don't need . . . . )

Rocking Back And Forth,
Dave
 
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