GR Digital V to have APS-C sensor

[GaryLH]

By standardized do u mean taking a picture of same subject innthevsame light w/ both cameras or are u talking about the dp review style type of standardization?

But on the surface I would agree w/ u btw.

Gary

 

[Archiver]

Nelson, did you tweak the photo of the bicycle, or is that straight out of the camera? By the EXIF data it looks like you did something with it in Photoshop, but how much of that is the camera's output? The colours are nice, very natural and yet film like.

 

[btgc]

tests, charts and model wars...sigh

 

[GaryLH]

Just to make sure. From my perspective I don't need dpreview like comparison... But if someone says A is better than B, then show me why or explain why in a bit of detail. Personally from the shots so far that i have seen, from the Coolpix A vs Ricoh grd, I can't c enough difference to warrant going for the Coolpix a over the Ricoh.

Gary

 

[Nelson Tan]

Hi Archiver, I did tweak the photo of the bicycle in Photoshop. The Ricoh GR offers very good sharpness with low ISO, so basically I enhanced the clarity in Photoshop but I didn't run the sharpening filter. If you see the images in my Tumblr gallery, that is basically my photography style or signature. Hope that answered your query!

Nelson, did you tweak the photo of the bicycle, or is that straight out of the camera? By the EXIF data it looks like you did something with it in Photoshop, but how much of that is the camera's output? The colours are nice, very natural and yet film like.

 

[Nelson Tan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OiLMqJ_ntA&feature=youtu.be

I received some request to see the images in higher resolution, so I've done up a slide show. Click "HD" in the Youtube control and view in "full screen mode" to see the video in high resolution!

 

[jsrockit]

Personally from the shots so far that i have seen, from the Coolpix A vs Ricoh grd, I can't c enough difference to warrant going for the Coolpix a over the Ricoh.

Gary

Gary, do you really expect the IQ from one or the other to be blatantly different? The reason you choose to go one or the other is probably more down to the ergonomics / menu & dial system you are comfortable with at this point. All of these APS-C cameras have very good IQ at this point.

 

[Aristophanes]

By standardized do u mean taking a picture of same subject innthevsame light w/ both cameras or are u talking about the dp review style type of standardization?

But on the surface I would agree w/ u btw.

Gary

Same subject, exact same light, camera settings, etc.

Repeat.

The empirical method.

 

[vitaly66]

There is something fundamentally bogus about the Ming Thein "comparison" of the two cameras. Namely that one is a production version already in the retail channel (Nikon), and the other is a pre-production sample with still-evolving firmware (Ricoh).

Although he acknowledges the pre-production nature of the Ricoh in the first installment of his preview series, he then goes on to completely disregard that fact when comparing it to the Nikon in the second installment.

Then he concludes he definitively prefers the Nikon camera because he finds some anomolous color renditions in the Ricoh. (An issue not particularly evident in Nelson's pre-production sample, by the way.)

Things like color-rendition and autofocus performance can be affected by tweaking the algorithms in the firmware. The time to make definitive comparisons between the two cameras is when they both share a comparable production status.

 

[jsrockit]

There is something fundamentally bogus about the Ming Thein "comparison" of the two cameras. Namely that one is a production version already in the retail channel (Nikon), and the other is a pre-production sample with still-evolving firmware (Ricoh).

I agree... you can only look at the positives in the Ricoh GR at this point. Any negative will be a wait and see.

 

[Aristophanes]

There is something fundamentally bogus about the Ming Thein "comparison" of the two cameras. Namely that one is a production version already in the retail channel (Nikon), and the other is a pre-production sample with still-evolving firmware (Ricoh).

Although he acknowledges the pre-production nature of the Ricoh in the first installment of his preview series, he then goes on to completely disregard that fact when comparing it to the Nikon in the second installment.

Then he concludes he definitively prefers the Nikon camera because he finds some anomolous color renditions in the Ricoh. (An issue not particularly evident in Nelson's pre-production sample, by the way.)

Things like color-rendition and autofocus performance can be affected by tweaking the algorithms in the firmware. The time to make definitive comparisons between the two cameras is when they both share a comparable production status.

He admits in the edits that he got the GR's RAW processing wrong, and that the reds and color balance between the two brands is virtually identical. One of the resopndents to his post ran the DNG's through another RAW processor and got the correct results. ACR was the problem, not the camera.

So to restate, there are no color anomalies in the Ricoh GR. Only anomalies in Ming's test.

This is why non-standard testing is hazardous. He did not control all factors in analysis before making a conclusion.

 

[GaryLH]

Gary, do you really expect the IQ from one or the other to be blatantly different? The reason you choose to go one or the other is probably more down to the ergonomics / menu & dial system you are comfortable with at this point. All of these APS-C cameras have very good IQ at this point.

I do not... But Mein's blog hinted that it was different enough that he might choose the Coolpix... But from the shots i saw in his blog, I could not detect it, unless I misunderstood his comment.

Gary

 

[GaryLH]

He admits in the edits that he got the GR's RAW processing wrong, and that the reds and color balance between the two brands is virtually identical. One of the resopndents to his post ran the DNG's through another RAW processor and got the correct results. ACR was the problem, not the camera.

So to restate, there are no color anomalies in the Ricoh GR. Only anomalies in Ming's test.

This is why non-standard testing is hazardous. He did not control all factors in analysis before making a conclusion.

Thanks for the update. I have not gone back to retread it again.

Gary

 

[jsrockit]

Looks like this may be pushed back a little. MAP camera in japan states May 24 for the GR. I cannot see the US getting it before Japan.

 

[Sam N]

Any chance MAP is giving May 24th as the date for their 2nd shipment because the first is already sold out?

B+H Still says the 15th but that doesn't mean much.

 

[jsrockit]

Any chance MAP is giving May 24th as the date for their 2nd shipment because the first is already sold out?

B+H Still says the 15th but that doesn't mean much.

http://translate.google.com/transla....impress.co.jp/docs/news/20130507_598313.html

 

[Sam N]

Blast. Well hopefully this means they'll have time to work on AF speed.

 

[Archiver]

Does B&H still say May 15th? The day is approaching and my fingers are starting to twitch.

 

[matthewm]

Does B&H still say May 15th? The day is approaching and my fingers are starting to twitch.

Amazon changed their delivery status to 1-2 Months... I called Adorama today and they said at least the end of the month on their first shipment. I had pre-ordered through B&H, but I actually called and cancelled today. They won't be open on the 15th anyway so it wouldn't go out right away and I'm guessing maybe not even then as most other websites are stating the end of the month.

I'm just going to stick with my GXR for now until I see what the GR can do. I know, I know... NOT the same cameras. But the A12 28mm is still a nice unit. And I've got a mission trip to Haiti coming up that I could use the few extra bucks for...

I'd like to see where the new GR is by Christmas. Maybe I can pick one up then. I've never been one to be an early adopter. I definitely want to continue following this thread so that I can see what you guys think of it.

 

[jsrockit]

Nothing wrong with waiting. I had to pre-order. I've been waiting for this GR for years. Never cared for the small sensor ones too much IQ wise. I tend to like APS-C as the smallest sensor for what I expect from a camera.