Grain Unlimited - How? (Moriyama)

[raytoei@gmail.com]

inspired by this thread, I have developed a roll of tri-x at ei 800 in Ilford PQ Developer, for 6mins at 29C. The negatives are hanging to dry, and I will post some of the photo shortly.

 

[raytoei@gmail.com]

okay...

Paper Developer (PQ in 1:19 dilution)
+ Room Temperature water (29C)
+ Over development (developed for 06 mins)
+ Tri-x Pushed from 400 to 800
+ Adjustment of Curves in PS.
+ Old camera (M3) + old lens (canon 50/1.4)

(first and last pix, little or no PS curve adjustment)

 

[nightfly]

Here's a recent photo I took that looks Moriyama like to me:

I think you also need to play with the contrast as well as the grain to get the sort of impact his photos have.

 

[andersju]

For more inspiration, check out the work of Yamasaki Ko-ji. He's also on flickr. He wrote once that he makes prints and scans them, with only very minor adjustments before uploading. He also writes on flickr: "B&W TRI-X, D76, 90M-S, ILFORD, Fuji-WP,KM4 Paper." I bought his book - great stuff.

 

[raytoei@gmail.com]

hi Andersju, thanks for the reference on Yamasaki Ko-Ji. Very nice indeed.

 

[antiquark]

That one seems quite Moriyama-esque. However your pics are almost grain-free compared to Moriyama's... I don't think you're abusing them enough during development! 🙂

 

[raytoei@gmail.com]

Tmax P3200, 2005 expiry. developed in D76 at ei 800.

 

[Faintandfuzzy]

Tmax P3200, 2005 expiry. developed in D76 at ei 800.

That's more like it Ray. I would take it a step further. Push the film to 6400 iso, and expose at 3200 (1 stop less exposure than yours). That would enhance the grain, and block up the shadows a bit more.

 

[raytoei@gmail.com]

I think this is overexposure ?
Definitely overdeveloped.
Negative is almost completely blocked.
Serious Contrast Adjustment in PS after scanning.
Film is apx 400 + xtol 1+1 dilution

 

[Faintandfuzzy]

Very nice Ray. I found a box of 20 rolls of Neopan 1600 that I'll be running through shortly. I normally expose it at iso1000 and process at 1600. I'll try to get a grainier look by exposing at 6400 and processing at 12,800.

 

[raytoei@gmail.com]

Faintandfuzzy,

please share your images!

 

[filmfan]

Love the grain and contrast in this.

Tmax P3200, 2005 expiry. developed in D76 at ei 800.

 

[Tim Gray]

Is it possible that a lot of the contrast boost was done in the printing stage and not in the film developing stage?

 

[raytoei@gmail.com]

tim,

the car picture was totally white, i had to use PS to increase the shadows.
in the building and umbrella picture, some contrast was minimally applied.

thanks

 

[regularchickens]

GRD3, 1600 ISO, and my custom BW preset - heavy sharpening/curves, and a clarity bump.

😉

 

[Faintandfuzzy]

Faintandfuzzy,

please share your images!

Hopefully I'll be able to scan a few rolls shortly as my project continues. I'll add a few shots here as time goes. I picked up Daido Moriyama's book "Shinjuki 19xx-20xx" that was mentioned earlier in this thread. I'm in awe. Getting that grain is easy.....getting an eye as good as his will be the challenge 😀

 

[nightfly]

I think this one is Tri-X in Dektol:

 

[nightfly]

Neopan 1600 in Rodinal:

 

[Faintandfuzzy]

That Neopan shot is NICE!!! Was it exposed at 1600? How was it processed?

 

[nightfly]

It was underexposed. I must have cranked the shutter speed up pretty high to freeze the motion like that.

Looks like it was developed in Fuji SPD at 1:1 for 7 minutes at 76 degrees.

I forgot I used to keep records of this stuff.