Great article in Lenswork #62

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Todd.Hanz

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Brooks Jensen has a great article concerning pricing your photography in this months Lenswork magazine. It's a timely article that makes alot of sense (as most of his essays do).
There was some discussion in a thread here about the RFF/Popflash contest, some were concerned as to the value of an image over time versus the prize of the camera/lens.
It's a good read if you get the chance, of course I buy it for the pictures only 🙂


Todd
 
I'm not familiar with Lenswork, so I don't know which segment of the photo market it targets.

Is this article more about pricing in terms of pricing prints for the fine-art or decor market? Or images for reproduction? Or services such as editorial, advertising, or wedding photography?

Just want to know so I'll know if I should try to track down the issue or not...
 
I'm axiously waiting for it to arrive... a little bit slow postmen here 🙁 yeah Brooks essays are great, it's a magazine nice to read and even more nice to see!!!


Barret
 
What issue is #62? I mean what months?

There was this special offer from lenswork recently (there was a thread here remember?) and I subscribed, but haven't yet received anything. Waiting eagerly. Can anyone shed some light. Has anyone else opted for the same offer and received their goods?
 
jlw said:
I'm not familiar with Lenswork, so I don't know which segment of the photo market it targets.

Is this article more about pricing in terms of pricing prints for the fine-art or decor market? Or images for reproduction? Or services such as editorial, advertising, or wedding photography?

Just want to know so I'll know if I should try to track down the issue or not...

I would say Lenswork appeals more to the fineart community in a common sense sort of way, there are several portfolios per issue along with interviews from the the photogs themselves, great articles and probably the best looking printed images in any magazine.

The article defends Brooks idea that we as photographers tend to overprice our work, you can read a portion of the article and see some of the work at the website: http://www.lenswork.com/ . It is well worth tracking down and the images are very inspiring!

Todd
 
Little Prince said:
What issue is #62? I mean what months?

There was this special offer from lenswork recently (there was a thread here remember?) and I subscribed, but haven't yet received anything. Waiting eagerly. Can anyone shed some light. Has anyone else opted for the same offer and received their goods?


I just got mine yesterday, I also subscribed to the extended version and they ship it one week after the mag.
Issue #62 is the current one, see at the website: http://www.lenswork.com/


Todd
 
First - hello to everyone at RF...nice to be here. 🙂

I just got a subscription for my birthday and it is one of the most inspiring mags for me. Every issue gets my creative juices flowing and makes me realize how much dedication it takes to become a great photog...which is what the mag displays.

Todd -
That article is one of the best I have read about photography as art and the pricing attached to it.
I have just started to get into photography and have been trying to educate myself by seeing other's works in galleries and have noticed the insane prices trying to validate the photo as a work of art.
It is awesome to here someone as good as Jensen say that photos need not have the huge price tag to make it a work of art...his stuff sells for $20 bucks!
I believe "art" should be available to ALL and a lot (including myself) need to get over ourselves - it not about the price, but how many of the pieces sell that make it a great work of "art". (IMHO)

Cheers. 😀
 
Hmmm, I'll have to look up this article and read it -- the topic is of particular interest to me in that, years ago (when I was an art critic) I wrote an article for a local magazine about how local artists (mostly painters) priced their work.

I'll be particularly interested to see how he rationalizes his idea of "$20 fine art" because it's pretty much contradictory to what I was told by a painter who since my article has become extremely successful. This guy said that when he first arrived and started trying to get into galleries, he checked around at what established painters were using as their prices... then priced himself just below the highest-priced painters in the local marketplace.

He said common sense would have been to start pricing his work lower, and then raise his prices as his reputation grew. But he said he didn't want to do that, for two reasons that I thought were interesting:

1) "You don't want to be the cheapest painter in town" -- once your customers get used to a price level, they'll be alienated if you try to move up to a higher level; meanwhile, people who are used to paying higher prices will not be willing to pay them for your work, because they've already got you pigeonholed as a "budget" painter.

2) "In our society, people tend to judge something's worth by its price" -- his point here is that your perception of an artwork's value is strictly a matter of opinion, but your opinion of what it's worth in dollars is subject to your judgment and perception. To some extent, he said, if people see two paintings hanging in a gallery, and one is priced at $4,000 and the other is priced at $2,000, they'll tend to think of one as a $4,000 painting and the other as a $2,000 painting -- even if they find both paintings roughly similar in aesthetic appeal. Sounds counterintuitive, but since then I've seen it borne out many, many times.

It's true that taking this approach made my painter friend's work less "affordable," but he said that there are a lot of art buyers who can easily afford paying $4000 for a painting if they think it's worth it. The key, he said, is whether the buyer perceives the price as appropriate: "It's as if you went to a fancy restaurant, and had an expensive meal, and afterward you asked for a toothpick, and the waiter said, 'That'll be $10.' It's not that you can't afford $10 -- it's that you don't want to spend $10 for a toothpick." His point was that with that meal you might have had a $45 entree, and a $50 bottle of wine, and that didn't bother you because those prices seemed appropriate to you. It was the $10 for a toothpick that didn't seem appropriate. He wanted his paintings to be seen as the $50 bottle of wine, not the $10 toothpick.

As I said, I'll have to track down the magazine and read the article, as pricing is an interesting subject for me.

(PS -- I never sold worth beans during my entire 15-year gallery career, no matter whether I priced my work at the toothpick level or the bottle-of-wine level. Of course, that may not have been anything to do with pricing psychology -- it could be that my photography just stinks...)
 
Hi Todd,

I was under the impression that most photographers greatly undervalue their work. Of course I am talking about licensing photos and not for hire contract work or fine-art prints.

As far as the latter are concerned, there is a german company over hear that is doing very well selling "limited" runs of art prints at affordable prices.

It is a model that seems to work well for photography. Check it out when you can.

http://eu.lumas.com/


Best,
Kevin
 
Fine art prints are worth whatever the purchaser is happy to pay. To say $20 per print is fair sounds to me like someone is just sitting at home knocking out inkjet prints.
You wouldn't walk into an art gallery and expect Walmart prices. I think this is just another essay by Jensen attempting to justify his switch to digital. He figures his inkjets can't compete with real photographic enlargements so he tries to persuade us that all prints are over priced.
 
I don't think he is saying that everyone should sell their work for 20 bucks per print (wet or inkjet), he does ask those who price their work at 4000 bucks "...how many have you actually sold at that price?".
 
I don't think he is saying that everyone should be selling their art for $20 bucks either, I believe he is just showing that he is not a hypocrit.
I believe the article is more about putting prices on photos that is based on the markets perception, not the artist's perception.
Currently I don't think the public believes that fine art photos are worth the prices that are in galleries...I never would pay several thousand for what I see, digital or not. Many (way too many) photographers would be forced to starve before they could make a living with prices that are at the $2,000 range. "better to turn a quick dime then a slow quarter"
I believe jlw summed up the article nicely (without reading it 😉 ) and it is more about perception than anything else.

my 2 cents.
Cheers.
 
There's a large thread about this issue (Jensen's article on $20 prints) on apug.org - unfortunately, that site is currently down 🙁

In short, the article caused quite a stir 😉

Denis
 
Thanks for the link Denis.
Wow, it really ticked some folks off! I think they were too focused on the $20 prints and not the overall message of the article.

I have to say that I like the overall attitude (laid back) displayed here at RFF compared to that site. I only read that thread, but some people over there seem to be really full of themselves - that elitist attitude that Jensen was talking about. (a quick judgement on my part).

Cheers.
 
I also read the article and while it jumped from one thought to another, I think he made some valid points. However, I don't agree with what he said about pricing too high. Pricing is based (mostly) on supply and demand. At this time there is a great demand for photography. Granted, if you're not well known you won't get high prices.

But a high price doesn't necessarily put you out of the picture. Why sell your work cheap unless you want to be the Wal-mart of photography. Put some value on your work and people will place value on it as well. If it's good work, it will sell.
 
Little Prince said:
What issue is #62? I mean what months?

There was this special offer from lenswork recently (there was a thread here remember?) and I subscribed, but haven't yet received anything. Waiting eagerly. Can anyone shed some light. Has anyone else opted for the same offer and received their goods?

If you call their toll free number, Brooks or Maureen will answer, and immediately take care of any problem. I'll be up there soon, to deliver a print to him.

Russ
 
Hey didn't mean to ring any alarm bells. I was just wondering...

Anyway the news is that I came back home this evening and found it in my mailbox 😎.

Just wanted to let people know. It's strange because I just remembered today. I'm outta here for now...
 
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