brennanphotoguy
Well-known
This is true. I'm not trying to argue the fact that you can't do pro work with the Leica system, just trying to say that there are things that the other manufacturers are doing that make pro work better/easier than anything Leica has done in the digital world. There are definitely more ways to make money at selling yourself or your work and if you are able to do that with a Leica system then that's awesome, I'd love to be able to do that. I'm simply saying that the amount of people that this is a viable answer is very small.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
You won't make a dent because I am fully am aware of what works best for me period. That may or may not be right for others. So lets all go out make an image or two today and then share those? Or maybe it's more interesting to try and convince others of the error of their equipment ways? Sadly I got a feeling I know what is going to be the choice.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
But in this statement lies the error. Those things don't make it easier for me. I have shot with all kinds of different equipment and if the equipment isn't intuitive for the photographer which DSLRs aren't for me and there are others out their like me (I have been shooting all manual for decades) then it doesn't do any of what you say.
The key, and I really know this is hard for some to get their heads around, is finding the equipment that best matches the way you see and work. That is what makes the process easier for each individual and the real individual choice out there is Leica M which may or may not be right for others but it is right for me and the way I see and work.
So I say, for folks like me that don't have to do it for money today or don't have to work in their day jobs, lets get out and make some photographs with the equipment of our choice.
brennanphotoguy
Well-known
I shoot every day. 2-3 rolls weekly unless I've got a job and then it goes up. Which is a fair amount when you consider I work 50 hour weeks and only shoot on my lunch breaks and walks to and from work.
You are terrible at reading, or you just read the parts you want to read and nothing around it.
was answered with,
right above your quote where you selectively pulled a quote from.
:: Mark
Well-known
I suspect that Leica see these variants as pretty much like the more obvious special editions - although photographically they are vastly more useful than ping-pong-bat clad cameras. The lack of automation and difficulty of use is part of the brand image, as are specialisations such as the MM.
When I was first considering using Leica I looked at a lot of photographs taken using various camera and lens combinations. The results were (and still are) incredibly polarised, with some of the absolute best and absolute worst photography that I have ever seen - and surprisingly little middle ground. I think that this reflects the user-base of Leicas today: a small(ish) group of enthusiasts who enjoy the concept and work hard to get excellent results, but a much larger group who use the cameras casually and infrequently at best. I think that Leica's sales/marketing (unsurprisingly) favours the latter group.
BTW, I do not think that sensor cleaning automatically requires a significantly thicker camera - for example, perhaps it would be possible to couple the piezo transducers via the edge of the sensor assembly.
There are also other functional design improvements that surely could be made to improve usability. For example, providing a user-accessible rangefinder calibration mechanism. Needing to send a body+lens on an extended calibration trip to Germany is absurd today, whereas it should be possible to do the same using live-view and a user-accessible mechanical adjustment. But Leica presumably prioritises special editions because that is where they get their money from...
airfrogusmc
Veteran
Yeah my reading comprehension can be suspect at best ha ha (sorry I did misread), so then lets all quit worrying about others and what others use and get out and a make an image or two.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
Actually Mark I think that Leica makes special additions so they can make those great cameras and still make film cameras.
______
Well-known
I have never found this to be true. While the best is always expensive, price is no guaranty of quality, and there is a lot of expensive junk out there. Marketers prey on such aphorisms.
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Well-known
I took your "generally" qualifier into account when I responded. In my experience, it is not true that you generally get what you pay for. Your experience may be different than mine, but that doesn't mean I jump to conclusions. It seems that it is you getting the exercise this morning.If you read carefully, I wrote "generally". I hope you get more exercise than jumping to conclusions.
I admit I am archaic, but thankfully not pedantic.
mpaniagua
Newby photographer
Do you dont get a better quality prime rib for a higher price than a lower price one? Do you not get a better insurance coverage for a higher fee? I agree you get what you pay for. Then again, maybe what you pay for is not what you expect? If you pay a higher fee for you insurance, you may say "wtf? why so expensive?". Maybe the problem lies with expectations? Leica doesn't make you a better photographer, but it gives you solid, reliable (I'm talking about lenses and film cameras here) and time enduring equipment. If thats what you expect from Leica, yeah, you get what you pay for.
Regards.
Regards.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
The lack of sensor cleaning is not just the thickness of the camera but the thin and thus fragile filter array. The risk of shattering the cover glass by the vibrations needed to shake dust off is too high.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
That is completely correct. Photographs posted in LUF photoforums must be taken by Leica equipment ever since the forum existed. Most other brand-dedicated forums have similar rules.
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Well-known
You are probably more well versed about that sort of thing than I am as I don't generally participate at brand specific forums; I've just never run into such a rule before.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Well, to me it is not really illogical, a Leica forum dedicated to Leica gear, a Hasselblad forum dedicated to Hasselblad gear, etc.
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Well-known
And it promotes gear acquisition. If you want to post a picture of your new MM, you have to buy another Leica to take the photo of it.
brennanphotoguy
Well-known
Or you can use the Huawei P9 and use the mobile uploader hahaha.
nikonhswebmaster
reluctant moderator
That's what I love about this forum: tetchy geezwads throwing their two cents in, whether it's asked for or not. Thanks for your input, and my condolences for you generally not getting what you pay for in your life.
Steve
Have you considered working for Hallmark Greeting Cards?
The sentiments so emotionally moving.
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I'm still trying to figure out what "geezwad" means so I'll know how badly I've been dissed. A quick Google search is coming up blank. And the Urban Dictionary has no entry.