Hjortsberg
Well-known
I'll try to explain it the best I can:
Sometimes I see a picture and I reach for the camera and I think, "Well, someone else has shot this better then me so why bother?" This recently happened when I took a photo of a fork, knife, spoon and plate sitting on a local lunch counter. When the picture came back, well, it was a nice little photo. But William Eggleston has already done it. And better, mind you. I went walking around a local suburb looking for photos and they all seemed like Robert Adams photos. I got kinda really bummed out that day and haven't fully recovered.
Now please don't get preachy about the joy is in the process, because, you know I'm having a great time learning. It's funny how little I do know about photography. It makes me laugh, you know. And I'm at an age where I know fame, fortune, woman, parties, gallery shows, publication, etc will never, ever come my way. And with age and life experience I know that that is not what it's about. Please understand I'm not looking for that nor do I want it.
However, I've fallen into a depression and can't get out of it. I feel kinda sad going out shooting.
I don't know, you know...
Sometimes I see a picture and I reach for the camera and I think, "Well, someone else has shot this better then me so why bother?" This recently happened when I took a photo of a fork, knife, spoon and plate sitting on a local lunch counter. When the picture came back, well, it was a nice little photo. But William Eggleston has already done it. And better, mind you. I went walking around a local suburb looking for photos and they all seemed like Robert Adams photos. I got kinda really bummed out that day and haven't fully recovered.
Now please don't get preachy about the joy is in the process, because, you know I'm having a great time learning. It's funny how little I do know about photography. It makes me laugh, you know. And I'm at an age where I know fame, fortune, woman, parties, gallery shows, publication, etc will never, ever come my way. And with age and life experience I know that that is not what it's about. Please understand I'm not looking for that nor do I want it.
However, I've fallen into a depression and can't get out of it. I feel kinda sad going out shooting.
I don't know, you know...
f6andBthere
Well-known
You're not alone I assure you. It's so easy to to feel that the train has left the station once you get to a certain age ... maybe it has?
Look back on other things/achievements that you are proud of and worry less about the future and how good or otherwise your photography skills may be!
It's one very small part of life!
Look back on other things/achievements that you are proud of and worry less about the future and how good or otherwise your photography skills may be!
It's one very small part of life!
Phil_F_NM
Camera hacker
But you're not Bill Eggleston, right? So make the photos for yourself. There is no need to be original and there is no shame in being inspired by others who have gone before you and made photos of something beautiful which you may want to shoot. It's all only inspiration anyway since we all have our own unique point of view so yours is a perfectly fine and validated point of view to shoot from.
Hopefully you work it out soon. Myself and many other people have been in photo "funk" or a depressive state but I always find inspiration in something simple that I want to show, first to myself in the future, then to others. There's no need to downplay the importance of your contribution to the visual record of the world as we know know it.
Phil Forrest
Hopefully you work it out soon. Myself and many other people have been in photo "funk" or a depressive state but I always find inspiration in something simple that I want to show, first to myself in the future, then to others. There's no need to downplay the importance of your contribution to the visual record of the world as we know know it.
Phil Forrest
Particular
a.k.a. CNNY, disassembler
For me the pleasure in photography has to do with the unpredictability of it. I'm not sure what a good photograph is, but I'll know it when I see it. I try not to think too much while taking pictures. The images that I think will be interesting often seem contrived once I see them on the screen. The real winners are the ones that I just took, and turned out a certain way for no explainable reason.
Everything in photography has been done. You are recording life, and life repeats itself. It is the subtle variations that you need to be attuned to. That is where the interest is.
Everything in photography has been done. You are recording life, and life repeats itself. It is the subtle variations that you need to be attuned to. That is where the interest is.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
keep shooting, this all comes from practice. I didn't get good till I'd been shooting for 12 years! Started as an 8 yr old kid with my dad's 35mm SLR.
Something else: find something that interests you and spend time on a longterm project documenting it. That'll help you develop your own vision and say something no one else has said.
Something else: find something that interests you and spend time on a longterm project documenting it. That'll help you develop your own vision and say something no one else has said.
Hjortsberg
Well-known
thanks guys.
Brian Legge
Veteran
Find a story to tell. That story - and the views you bring to it - will be intrinsically personal and unique.
For me, that was shooting a series of portraits at Occupy Wallstreet. Instead of shooting more traditional protest or street photos, I consciously decided to walk up to people, as if I could take a photo and photograph whatever they did next after saying yes. I decided early on that the series would be focused on the diversity of the people there.
This was probably the first thought out, intentional series of photos I've taken like this. It was immensely satisfying to go in with a goal and and follow it through. It was also some of the better photography I've done in the last year.
For me, that was shooting a series of portraits at Occupy Wallstreet. Instead of shooting more traditional protest or street photos, I consciously decided to walk up to people, as if I could take a photo and photograph whatever they did next after saying yes. I decided early on that the series would be focused on the diversity of the people there.
This was probably the first thought out, intentional series of photos I've taken like this. It was immensely satisfying to go in with a goal and and follow it through. It was also some of the better photography I've done in the last year.
nighstar
eternal beginner
yeah, you're definitely not alone when it comes to the "why bother" feeling... i feel that way myself at times. it comes and goes. i wish i had some advice for you, but i have none. sometimes i go ahead and take the photo anyway and end up photoshopping more "uniqueness" into it, but i'm usually still dissatisfied. perhaps i should borrow some of the advice that others have given you here. 
Geordiepete
Member
Three years ago I tried to start a local photo club. Only two other guys joined (!), but about a dozen others joined the Flickr online only version (Miyazaki Photo Club).
One of those guys left for a job in Egypt. Now it's just Bill and me, but once a month or so we have fun hanging out in the nearby city, taking photos. Sometimes we have a theme. Sometimes we go somewhere different. Maybe finding a photo buddy is an idea to kickstart something.
Or join a local camera club.
One of those guys left for a job in Egypt. Now it's just Bill and me, but once a month or so we have fun hanging out in the nearby city, taking photos. Sometimes we have a theme. Sometimes we go somewhere different. Maybe finding a photo buddy is an idea to kickstart something.
Or join a local camera club.
anerjee
Well-known
Agree.
The other day, I saw someone's signature with a quote to this effect -- "You cannot have a passion for photography. Photography is a tool to express your passion for something else"
A bit tacky, but its stuck in my head for some reason.
The other day, I saw someone's signature with a quote to this effect -- "You cannot have a passion for photography. Photography is a tool to express your passion for something else"
A bit tacky, but its stuck in my head for some reason.
pvdhaar
Peter
Here's my 2 cents.. The trouble with pictures of forks and knives is that those are just things, and that they have no emotional value for you. Instead, take pictures of the people around you and who matter to you. Those are the images that will make you feel better in the long run. And keep in mind; even if they're not perfect when you look at them now, they'll be in a couple of years time. By then it's the image only you have taken, and that those are moments in time that can't be redone by anyone..
Corto
Well-known
whatever you see in the viewfinder that you like is worth pressing the shutter.
FTW (F... The world)
FTW (F... The world)
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Very true. For me, it is history. I have more than 2000 books, most of them history books, with a large number of photography and art books mixed in. I'm working on my MA in history, and will be finished next semester. I've been able to use my photography for projects done in some of my classes, to illustrate essays I've written and lectures that I've given.
George Bonanno
Well-known
Wow man... get over yourself and just take the picture.
Then start a blogspot and post your most despicable images.
Don't tell anyone anything !
People will go head over heals for your stuff.
Then start a blogspot and post your most despicable images.
Don't tell anyone anything !
People will go head over heals for your stuff.
Leigh Youdale
Well-known
I'd just like to support a couple of people who have already made these points but for me, the essential thing now is -
1. Take photos for what pleases you and don't worry yourself that somebody else might have done it "better". It's not a competition unless you make it one.
2. Select a project to work on. My best ideas have centred around producing a Blurb book on a subject or topic and I now have a number of these, including travel. The smallest has twelve pages. The largest, over 100. Some are colour, some just B&W and I generally try to present them one image per page. If you can envisage the end result - a book you can hold in your hand or show around, it's a much better driver to do something than envisaging ending up with a handful of loose prints, however good they are.
1. Take photos for what pleases you and don't worry yourself that somebody else might have done it "better". It's not a competition unless you make it one.
2. Select a project to work on. My best ideas have centred around producing a Blurb book on a subject or topic and I now have a number of these, including travel. The smallest has twelve pages. The largest, over 100. Some are colour, some just B&W and I generally try to present them one image per page. If you can envisage the end result - a book you can hold in your hand or show around, it's a much better driver to do something than envisaging ending up with a handful of loose prints, however good they are.
---f
-
I started to feel that way, I'd do a shoot with a model, have a good concept only to later find out it's been done. One model I worked with told me...
"Jeff, EVERYTHING has already been done, it's about YOUR version, now let's do our take on Helmut Newton's work".
And she was right. Look to others for inspiration, don't be shy about being inspired by someone else's ideas, you'll make it yours!
"Jeff, EVERYTHING has already been done, it's about YOUR version, now let's do our take on Helmut Newton's work".
And she was right. Look to others for inspiration, don't be shy about being inspired by someone else's ideas, you'll make it yours!
Last edited:
hellomikmik
Well-known
looks like you have a problem - very good.
you have something you want to tell to people?
something that is making you depressed?
so tell it to us - tell it by photography.
you have something you want to tell to people?
something that is making you depressed?
so tell it to us - tell it by photography.
lynnb
Veteran
That's like saying that all humans are the same - they all have two arms, two legs, a torso and a head. Better not make another human, because it's been done before!
But each human is different, and each of us has a different way of looking at the world, a different life experience; but even so, we also all share many common threads in our lives - love, happiness, sadness, the death of loved ones, the wonder of seeing something beautiful and wanting to share it.
Don't downplay your own experiences just because others have had similar views. Making art is an intrinsic human quality, some have gifted ability, others learn and mature their vision only after time and practice. Even the gifted ones practice - have you ever seen early work by the great masters of art?
Keep shooting, keep thinking about what is important to you and what makes you stop and wonder, learn from others but don't be a slave to their technique, and you will get better at expressing yourself in your photographs. I want to see the world as YOU see it.
But each human is different, and each of us has a different way of looking at the world, a different life experience; but even so, we also all share many common threads in our lives - love, happiness, sadness, the death of loved ones, the wonder of seeing something beautiful and wanting to share it.
Don't downplay your own experiences just because others have had similar views. Making art is an intrinsic human quality, some have gifted ability, others learn and mature their vision only after time and practice. Even the gifted ones practice - have you ever seen early work by the great masters of art?
Keep shooting, keep thinking about what is important to you and what makes you stop and wonder, learn from others but don't be a slave to their technique, and you will get better at expressing yourself in your photographs. I want to see the world as YOU see it.
Haigh
Gary Haigh
If you see a shot just take it. I had your experience once long ago with Bill Brandt's nudes. I thought that I'd never take a nude shot after I'd seen his. However I did, and still do. They are nothing like his because I am taking them, not him. One can't afford to be over awed by others. Forget 'em and just fire away.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
whatever you see in the viewfinder that you like is worth pressing the shutter.
Seconded.
Everyone is racked by self-doubt at times. If they're not, they're probably not much good at whatever they do, because they aren't being critical enough.
As for Eggleston -- well, seriously consider the possibility that you can take a better picture than Eggleston. Not everyone thinks that the sun shines out of his bum.
Cheers,
R.