Help Identifying Lens Flare? (Leica 90mm f/2.8 Fat Tele-Elmarit)

[Villanova]

Hi RFF,

I was hoping someone could help me identify this type of flare (if possible).

This (bad) photo was shot with a Leica 90mm f/2.8 Fat Tele-Elmarit. There was a hood attached (Leica IROOA, not the specified 12575).

From what I can tell, neither of the priests were holding anything to cause the flare, same goes for the right one.

Thoughts?

 

[michaelwj]

First thing is the IROOA hood is too short, you really should be using the 12575. Saying that the sun looks quite high so it probably didn't matter unless there were some bright highlights outside of the frame that we can't see.

To me, it looks like there is something on the lens that is causing the flare. Is the glass clean? It doesn't look like typical flare.

If you bump up the contrast do any more details emerge?

 

[Mute-on]

Is this on film? Looks suspiciously like a film damage or processing issue. Agree that this doesn't look like a flare issue.



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[rodinal]

Those look like holes in the shutter courtain...

Look for the same pattern in other negatives.

 

[Villanova]

michaelwj,
Thanks for your reply. Agreed, it was around 1pm. The sun way extremely high and I don't think it factored. See below for a high contrast version. Nothing of use seems to emerge but maybe you see something?

Mute-on,
Yes, this is film. It could be a processing issue. None of the other shots from that batch (9 rolls) had this type of flare which also addresses Rodinal's point.

Rodinal,
I developed 9 rolls in that batch and there is no sign of trouble anywhere else!

 

[benmacphoto]

Was there a filter on the lens?
Some lenses do not agree with filters.
Had a 35mm Summicron that when used with a UV filter would cause a flare similar to what is shown here.

 

[02Pilot]

Those look like holes in the shutter courtain...

Look for the same pattern in other negatives.

+1. If possible, get a bright LED flashlight and shine it through the curtains to check for pinholes, preferably in a dark room.

 

[Villanova]

benmacphoto,
No filter on the lens. It's the only shot like that in my 9-roll batch.


02Pilot,
I checked the shutter curtains are they are 100% solid. No light leak whatsoever.

 

[ferider]

That doesn't help, but my fat tele elmarit flared very easily, just like yours. The thin one is much better in this respect.

 

[Dwig]

benmacphoto,
No filter on the lens. It's the only shot like that in my 9-roll batch.


02Pilot,
I checked the shutter curtains are they are 100% solid. No light leak whatsoever.

I agree that it looks like fogging through holes in one of the two shutter curtains. It is quite possible that they are very small and only produce significant fogging when the lens is being changed.

If they are on the second curtain (visible when the shutter is uncocked), very small, and you usually wind immediately after taking a picture then they will rarely show. If this was a rare case of changing lenses while uncocked or of leaving it uncocked and the lens uncapped for an extended period then it is quite conceivable that you would only see it once every several hundred pictures.

 

[Dektol Dan]

Shutter Curtain

Shutter Curtain

The holes are just starting, and you are seeing (or not) them because of the strength and location of the light source. Having had many old cameras I can speak from experience.